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Old 01-15-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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Actually I agree with sanspeur as posts like yours by you and others have made me question multiple times if I want to be lumped into the same group as you.

Alas I do not want to be in lumped into the same group as you. I prefer on this board not to be labled a "true" Christian as that has negative connotations here (in my view) that puts up barriers between me and other people.

So sanspeur is absolutely correct. Please continue to rejoice in your self-crapulence of a doctrine. Huddle together and pat each other on the back. Enjoy your hubris of "True Christianity" that you so love to blanket yourself in. You make for a cute little brood that expouses exclusion while complaining about others from your self imposed cross.

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I'm not to worried about your view. I'm much more concerned about the Lord's view, because we all will stand before Him and be judged. Just something to think about.
You should be worried, because I believe that Christians should treat others with kindness, and actually not cause them to stumble:

Galatians 5:22-23, these attributes are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.

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Old 01-15-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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I think Jesus was rude?
Some points to remember:

1. Jesus could see the hearts of the people He was speaking to, and so knew (and knows) the best way to talk to them for each situation. He wasn't just blindly spouting off rude or judgmental remarks at the general populace. We cannot see the hearts of those we are dealing with, and must be in tune with the Holy Spirit and humbly submitted to God to be useful.

2. Jesus, as one with God, had and has authority to judge individuals. We do not. We are not Jesus: we are simply His servants. To follow Him and show others the Christian way by example is the best way to witness. There are times that the Holy Spirit leads us out of our "comfort zone" and we may not always be politically correct.. however, our attitude should be one of a humble servant of Christ.
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Dear Sinners:

For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. (ALL!) (Romans 3:23)

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus Is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with the heart that you believe, and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confessed and are saved. (Romans 10: 9-10)

For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". (Romans 10:13)



Okay. How would you like it preached to you? Tell me, because the time is short.

Sincerely yours, A believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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Sandgirl wrote:

You should be worried, because I believe that Christians should treat others with kindness, and actually not cause them to stumble:

Galatians 5:22-23, these attributes are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.

So are you saying we shouldn't tell them the truth, that they are living in sin and separation from God? If no one tells them, then how will they know? A true friend speaks the truth, not soft words to make them feel good about going to hell.
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Some points to remember:

1. Jesus could see the hearts of the people He was speaking to, and so knew (and knows) the best way to talk to them for each situation. He wasn't just blindly spouting off rude or judgmental remarks at the general populace. We cannot see the hearts of those we are dealing with, and must be in tune with the Holy Spirit and humbly submitted to God to be useful.

2. Jesus, as one with God, had and has authority to judge individuals. We do not. We are not Jesus: we are simply His servants. To follow Him and show others the Christian way by example is the best way to witness. There are times that the Holy Spirit leads us out of our "comfort zone" and we may not always be politically correct.. however, our attitude should be one of a humble servant of Christ.
Amen..and Amen...and Amen...and A-M-E-N!!!...+1rep4u!
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Wah, wah, wah....

I'm so sick of hearing "if I wasn't an atheist already you guys would make me one"......puuleeeze. You're an atheist because you choose to be one, not because of anything said on a discussion board.

The only improvement needed is these mamby-pamby people who claim to be Christians need to speak up loud and strong for the Lord and quit sitting on the fence trying to be everyone's friend, tolerating and tiptoeing around people so as not to "offend". What's offensive is the lukewarm church.

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Old 01-15-2009, 01:21 PM
 
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Jesus would be kicked out of todays Churchs for not meeting the dress code and for being rude.
To add a little levity and humor to this point, here you go...

A LETTER TO THE APOSTLE PAUL
Rev. Saul Paul
Independent Missionary
Corinth, Greece

Dear Mr. Paul,
We recently received an application from you for service under our Board.
It is our policy to be as frank and open-minded as possible with all our applicants. We have made an exhaustive survey of your case. To be plain, we are surprised that you have been able to "pass" as a bonafide missionary.
We are told that you are afflicted with a severe eye-trouble. This is certain to be an insuperable handicap to an effective ministry. Our Board requires 20/20 vision.
At Antioch, we learn, you opposed Dr. Simon Peter, an esteemed home missionary and actually rebuked him publicly. You stirred up so much trouble at Antioch that a special Board meeting had to be convened in Jerusalem. We cannot condone such actions.
Do you think it seemly for a missionary to do part-time secular work? We hear that you are making tents on the side. In a letter to the church at Phillipi, you admitted that they were the only church supporting you. We wonder why.
Is it true that you have a jail record? Certain brethren report that you did two years time at Caesarea and were imprisoned at Rome.
You made so much trouble for the business men at Ephesus that they refer to you as "the man who turned the world upside down." Sensationalism, in missions, is uncalled for. We also deplore the lurid "over-the-wall-in-a-basket" episode at Damascus.
We are appalled at your obvious lack of conciliatory behavior. Diplomatic men are not stoned and dragged out of the city gates, or assaulted by furious mobs. Have you ever suspected that gentler words might gain you more friends? I enclose a copy of Dalius Carnagus' book, "How To Win Jews and influence Greeks."
In one of your letters, you refer to yourself as "Paul the aged." Our new mission policies do not envisage a surplus of superannuated recipients.
We understand that you are given to fantasies and dreams. At Troas, you saw "a man of Macedonia" and at another time "were caught up into the third heaven" and even claimed "the Lord stood by" you. We reckon that more realistic and practical minds are needed in the task of world evangelism.
You have caused much trouble everywhere you have gone. You opposed the honorable women at Berea and the leaders of your own nationality in Jerusalem. If a man cannot get along with his own people, how can he serve foreigners? We learn that you are a snake-handler. At Malta, you picked up a poisonous serpent which is said to have bitten you, but you did not suffer harm. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk!
You admit that while you were serving time at Rome that "all forsook you." Good men are not left friendless. Three fine brothers, by the names of Diotrephes, Demas and Alexander, the coppersmith, have notarized affidavits to the effect that it is impossible for them to cooperate with either you or your program.
We know that you had a bitter quarrel with a fellow missionary named Barnabas. Harsh words do not further God's work.
You have written many letters to churches where you have formerly been pastor. In one of the letters, you accused a church member of living with his father's wife, and you caused the whole church to feel badly; and the poor fellow was expelled.
You spend too much time talking about "the second coming of Christ." Your letters to the people at Thessalonica were almost entirely devoted to this theme. Put first things first from now on.
Your ministry has been far too flighty to be successful. First Asia Minor, then Macedonia, then Greece, then Italy and now you are talking about a wild goose chase into Spain. Concentration is more important than dissipation of one's powers. You cannot win the whole world by yourself. You are just one little Paul.
In a recent sermon, you said "God forbid that I should glory in anything save the cross of Christ." It seems to us that you also ought to glory in our heritage, our denominational program, the unified budget, our Cooperative Program and the World Federation of Churches.
Your sermons are much too long for the times. At one place, you talked until after midnight and a young man was so asleep that he fell out of the window and broke his neck. Nobody is saved after the first twenty minutes any way. "Stand up, speak up and then shut up," is our advice.
Dr. Luke reports that you are a thin little man, bald, frequently sick and always so agitated over your church that you sleep very poorly. He reports that you pad around the house praying half the night. A healthy mind in a robust body is our ideal for all applicants. A good night's sleep will give you zest and zip so that you wake full of zing.
We find it best to send only married men into foreign service. We deplore your policy of persistent celibacy. Simon Magus has set up a matrimonial bureau at Samaria, where the names of some very fine widows are available.
You wrote recently to Timothy that "you had fought a good fight." Fighting is hardly a recommendation for a missionary. No fight is a good fight. Jesus came, not to bring a sword, but peace. You boast that "I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus." What on earth do you mean?
It hurts me to tell you this, Brother Paul, but in all of my twenty-five years experience, I have never met a man so opposite to the requirements of our Foreign Mission Board. If we accepted you, we would break every rule of modern missionary practice.
Most Sincerely yours,
J. Flavious Fluffyhead,
Foreign Mission Board Secretary
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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antjraf, that was hillarious and full of truth. The modern church would reject all the apostles for the very same reasons.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:01 PM
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I have always wondered how the guys who wrote the New Testament knew exactly what Jesus said? I mean, those stories were written a LONG time after Jesus died. Someone must have had a realllleeee good memory, or a good tape recorder, to get all those quotes down word for word.
The new testament was recorded by the Disciples,Paul,and Timothy(Paul's apostle)
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:03 PM
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by Disciples I mean Christ's 11 Disciples
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