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Old 01-16-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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You do realise that the word homosexual was only brought into use in many English translations of the Bible in the 20th century? Before that, it used to be translated as "masturbators".

You are right, the Bible is not homophobic because there is nothing about homosexuality or sexual orientation in the Bible - a concept that was not recognised at the time the texts were first written.

How can the Bible be absolute if translators can change the meanings of the original Hebrew and Greek words and verses to suit their own biases or the biases of the church who commissioned them?
Yeh that whole men leaving the natural use of the woman and lying with a man thing is so obscure, how will we ever know what the truth is?

Fornication is so acceptable as well, and you would think with all the references to men marrying other men in the bible we would get it by now

godspeed,

freedom

 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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So sad. Christians who approve of a gay lifestyle of sin.....and not one theological leg to stand on. No scripture, nothing......absolutely sad, that Christians would put God's word aside and ere on the side of human nature and personal belief. We will never learn.
You've got no biblical leg to stand on if you are against slavery or sexism either. We have human rights now, something the bible doesn't seem to know much about.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:30 PM
 
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That' a facade, basically the "pro gay" movement is to shove their ideology down everybody's throat regardless if the opposing opinions have good reasons to reject it, which IS intolerance by the way. If our views differ from their own then we are the intolerant ones, not the other way around. Everybody can have their opinion except us.

Yes you are right, it teaches tolerance and respect.
What's the difference between having different views but tolerating others' views, and complaining that your intolerant views are not being tolerated? "tolerate my intolerance!" You sure have a twisted sense of tolerance.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:35 PM
 
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You've got no biblical leg to stand on if you are against slavery or sexism either. We have human rights now, something the bible doesn't seem to know much about.
Are you speaking of only 1/4 of the planet, cuzzzzz the rest still have slavery, and no concept of human rights and they don't read the bible.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:50 PM
 
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Yeh that whole men leaving the natural use of the woman and lying with a man thing is so obscure, how will we ever know what the truth is?
You've just mixed Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-27 together, so yes you've obscured it.

Check the context of Romans 1. Pagan worship and pagan fertility rituals where people who had professed to be Christian had reverted and practiced ritual sex with people of the same-sex as part of their worship of pagan gods in pagan temples. Of course that was unnatural for them- they were straight.
But in any case - it's about pagan worship and sex rituals, not homosexuality.

And if you want to use Leviticus 18:22 -which could also be interpreted as referring to the practise of pagan sex rituals which were very common at the time, you'd better be prepared to condemn people who break ALL the laws in Leviticus. I hope you aren't wearing clothes of mixed fibre.
 
Old 01-17-2009, 12:13 AM
 
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Are you speaking of only 1/4 of the planet, cuzzzzz the rest still have slavery, and no concept of human rights and they don't read the bible.

godspeed,

freedom
3/4 of the planet allows slavery? hmmm exaggeration?

The problem is you pick and choose. You don't believe in slavery do you? Well someone could say "you have to believe in slavery because the bible says it's OK and never says a society without slavery is OK" and you would not be able to prove them wrong with the bible. Same with sexism. America struggled with both of these injustices far too long, and the bible was used easily to justify them. Homosexuality is no different, just a more recently public issue.
 
Old 01-17-2009, 06:03 AM
 
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And who says we don't have free will........................is a liar!! YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE! TO OBEY OR NOT TO OBEY!

After hearing the "evidence" from both sides, BE THE DECIDER OF YOUR OWN FATE! And be happy!! Your choice, right? Right!!!

Okay then. I'M HEREBY SENTENCE TO MY OWN FATE!! And I did it! All by myself!! Wow! Thank God I got to choose!!

Go ahead and live your life exactly how you choose to, and be happy about it........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02zOk...eature=related
 
Old 01-17-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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You've just mixed Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-27 together, so yes you've obscured it.

Check the context of Romans 1. Pagan worship and pagan fertility rituals where people who had professed to be Christian had reverted and practiced ritual sex with people of the same-sex as part of their worship of pagan gods in pagan temples. Of course that was unnatural for them- they were straight.
But in any case - it's about pagan worship and sex rituals, not homosexuality.

And if you want to use Leviticus 18:22 -which could also be interpreted as referring to the practise of pagan sex rituals which were very common at the time, you'd better be prepared to condemn people who break ALL the laws in Leviticus. I hope you aren't wearing clothes of mixed fibre.
It's obvious that i wasn't quoting chapter and verse...how do you justify fornication... another pagan ritual off shoot?

Enjoy your interpretation, one day we'll be left without excuse, and the truth will stand without justification and deception.


godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-17-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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It's obvious that i wasn't quoting chapter and verse...how do you justify fornication... another pagan ritual off shoot?

Enjoy your interpretation, one day we'll be left without excuse, and the truth will stand without justification and deception.


godspeed,

freedom
It's not my interpretation. It's a matter of reading the verse in context and understanding the pagan practices of the times.

Do you really think Paul was talking about homosexuals when he continued the letter with these verses?
1 Romans 28-32
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28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)
I don't justifiy "fornication". To me that's meaningless sex without love or commitment. Not my cup of tea.
 
Old 01-17-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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It's not my interpretation. It's a matter of reading the verse in context and understanding the pagan practices of the times.

Do you really think Paul was talking about homosexuals when he continued the letter with these verses?
1 Romans 28-32


I don't justifiy "fornication". To me that's meaningless sex without love or commitment. Not my cup of tea.
Not seeing the reference to Pagan practices, unless you are saying that sin is pagan.

He was speaking to willful, depraved sinners that had lost their way, all the while he was sharing the way to righteousness for those that desired to return to their Father.

Your post's sound like you are for homosex, but against it at the same time... not seeing your argument?
Does God see Homosex as righteous? To YOU?

godspeed,

freedom
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