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Old 01-15-2009, 05:14 PM
 
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Thoughts are INDEED sinful. Even Jesus taught this! Donna, reread your post please. I think there is an error there.

Is not adultry sin?


Mat 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



Jam 1:15
Then when lust has conceived(what is in the heart), it gives birth to sin(thoughts); and when sin is accomplished(the action completed), it brings forth death.(the sentence)


Would that not make lusting a sin? Would that not fall under coveting?

Let us look at what Paul wrote to th Romans:

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness(SINFUL), wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; {they are} gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Ouch, be careful what we preach, so that it falls in line with how God wants us and COMMANDS us to THINK, and ACT. If it isn't to His Glory, then it isn't worth doing. How many in that list above, are thoughts...

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Old 01-15-2009, 05:27 PM
 
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James1:12-15
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempted anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-blown, brings forth death.

The typical origin, progress, and outcome of sin. The movement is downward. First come the thoughts followed by desires; then acceptance followed by action; finally and ultimately death.
Evil desires have been conceived when our will decides to act on them. Until then it is not sin.....

There is a difference in lusting verses temptation!!

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Old 01-15-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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James1:12-15
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempted anyone. But each one is tempted whe he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-blown, brings forth death.

The typical origin, progress, and outcome of sin. The movement is downward. First come the thoughts followed by desires; then acceptance followed by action; finally and ultimately death.
Evil desires have been conceived when our will decides to act on them. Until then it is not sin.....

There is a difference in lusting verses temptation!!
...love you curly...
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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James1:12-15
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempted anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-blown, brings forth death.

The typical origin, progress, and outcome of sin. The movement is downward. First come the thoughts followed by desires; then acceptance followed by action; finally and ultimately death.
Evil desires have been conceived when our will decides to act on them. Until then it is not sin.....

There is a difference in lusting verses temptation!!
To be "drawn away" is to "fall away"....and if you fall away? Your heart is not right with God.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:48 PM
 
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To be "drawn away" is to "fall away"....and if you fall away? Your heart is not right with God.
It starts in the thoughts, that is where sin begins the process..... one can deny the seed of the thought of that which is tempting the soul.

To be drawn away one has to consent to that which is drawing one too. And then one falls away when one gives consent to the enticement or temptation. It is not sin till the will acts upon the thought.

But to lust in the heart is sin already for one has be premeditating upon the sin in the heart.
Jesus revealed the fuller meaning of the command against adultery as he did with that against murder.
Adultery is a sin but so is inward lust. Temptation to commit adultery arises not only from the outside, from the woman or man, but from the man's or woman's inner.
A lustful self, Jesus urges to discipline our thoughts so that weaknesses might not lead to sin......

The lust has went from thought into action (imaginations, feelings, sensuality).... one has given self over to the imaginations in the mind and it enters the heart and then one is hungering, thirsting for that which one desires and will act upon it! Lust is the weakness of self that which is already in the heart.

Nip the thought immediately in Christ and He gives the power to overcome the temptation....

1Cor. 10:13
No temptation has over taken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also give the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

2Cor.10:4-5
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down every arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

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Old 01-15-2009, 07:51 PM
 
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Thoughts are INDEED sinful. Even Jesus taught this! Donna, reread your post please. I think there is an error there.

Is not adultry sin?


Mat 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



Jam 1:15
Then when lust has conceived(what is in the heart), it gives birth to sin(thoughts); and when sin is accomplished(the action completed), it brings forth death.(the sentence)


Would that not make lusting a sin? Would that not fall under coveting?

Let us look at what Paul wrote to th Romans:

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness(SINFUL), wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; {they are} gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Ouch, be careful what we preach, so that it falls in line with how God wants us and COMMANDS us to THINK, and ACT. If it isn't to His Glory, then it isn't worth doing. How many in that list above, are thoughts...
Please read my post again. You are confusing temptation with sin.

Donna
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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im putting my asbestos suit in layaway now. looks like my best is not guna fly.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:57 PM
 
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Sinful Thoughts lead to Sin......and some thoughts can be sinful in themselves.......It can be a "very fine line".......for example: a beautiful woman may pass by and I may "notice" her beauty.....that is only a temptation if I do not continue to dwell on this thought......but if I delibrately continue to think lustfully of her in fantasy then it becomes a sin even if I have no intention of acting it out........If I am angry with my brother I have sinned......if my anger is momentary and I quickly turn from it... it is a temptation only.......This is why every thought must be taken captive to the obedience of God.........Every sin begins with a thought......You can have unforgiveness in your heart and no one but God may know it....Is that a sin I think yes.........Some maybe spiritually prideful.....do they love, patiently teach and correct others or do they think too highly of themselves......a sin of pride may be a very internal thought or could be very obvious.......do I commit sin of omission do I feed the hungry or clothe the naked, visit those in prison, in hospitals etc........Bottom line: "Jesus came to save sinners not those who think they are good enough" .......All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God........but if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive our sin...and....If we forgive our brother seventy times seven, God will forgive us......if we condemn we will be condemed......

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Old 01-16-2009, 08:25 AM
 
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The word lust, in my studies, lead me to believe it means to covet.

(Romans 7:7) "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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The word lust, in my studies, lead me to believe it means to covet.

(Romans 7:7) "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
Amen!!
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