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Old 01-19-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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What they also seem to misunderstand is that Jefferson cut and pasted two Bible to make one for the benefit of the native americans he want to share the Bible with so they would not get too confused. His intentions were to introduce them to Christ in the simplest manner possible and then gradually lead them top the entire bible as they grew. Liberal like to use this to imply he was not a Christian and that he denied much of the Bible.

Another note many liberal seem to want to ignore is the fact that many who considered themselves deist were not infering they were not Christians but that they were non denominational in their perspectives but they still had a firm faith in Jesus Christ.

If owning a Koran makes one a muslim then I must be a Krisna, Muslim, Morman, Jehovah Witness, and many other faiths consideing I own copies of many religions holy books. Just like someone is not a Christian just because they own a Bible.

The forefathers supported slavery and didn't allow women to vote. Luckily we've moved beyond much of the ignorance of the 18th Century. Well, apparently only I have in this thread
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:09 AM
 
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The forefathers supported slavery and didn't allow women to vote. Luckily we've moved beyond much of the ignorance of the 18th Century. Well, apparently only I have in this thread
Yes the 20th century has been such a peaceful century.

Are you perfect? God sees us the same. As a Christian I have battled racist thinking but I am growing. We are all imperfect, no sin is greater than another. The forefathers were wrong but who are we to say, they were not Christian when we ourselves are guilty of many things that would cause us to run and hide if exposed to the world.

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Old 01-19-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Yes the 20th century has been such a peaceful century.

Are you perfect? God sees us the same. As a Christian I have battled racist thinking but I am growing. We are all imperfect, no sin is greater than another. The forefathers were wrong but who are we to say, they were not Christian when we ourselves are guilty of many things that would cause us to run and hide if exposed to the world.
Oh, please! Yeah, holding a race of people in slavery and torturing them for years is just a little Christian imperfection. I'll tell you this - I'm not guilty of anything remotely as bad as that!

But this doesn't address my original statement - who cares what the "founding fathers" believed or thought? We know a lot more now, and have progressed from much of the ignorance of those days. I don't care if they were atheists, Baptists, witch hunters, or believed in aliens. It has nothing to do with the 21st Century.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Oh, please! Yeah, holding a race of people in slavery and torturing them for years is just a little Christian imperfection. I'll tell you this - I'm not guilty of anything remotely as bad as that!
The whole race was not tortured... there were certainly poor examples of some slave owners, but most had good relations with their slaves.
It can be easily argued that most of the world is in debt slavery, and compared to the homeless, and poor... most slaves had it better, than the decay of life and mind in the ghettos of the world and this country.

Slavery is obviously not the best we as a people can do, but it was far from torture, for the majority of those is bondage.

From one wage slave to another...


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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The forefathers supported slavery and didn't allow women to vote. Luckily we've moved beyond much of the ignorance of the 18th Century. Well, apparently only I have in this thread
The forefathers did not support slavery and the majority of them were intent on ending it. As for women voting, this was not biblical in nature and has no bearing in the truth. If they had based it on the Biblical principles I am sure they would have realized women should have been able to vote, but even then they had secularists trying to infiltrate the truth and make it a lie.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Hwy Fundy, what many around here and within the US dont seem to understand is that Christianty was the only legitimate religion according the the founders and therefore anything else was pagan and considered a cult. The seperation was to not honor a particular denomination over another, but it was still clearly Christian.
Wrong, many founding fathers were Deists who rejected the dogma of Christianity.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Wrong, many founding fathers were Deists who rejected the dogma of Christianity.
That is a lie propogated my the history reformers. They were non denominational Christians and yes they rejected dogma if it was contrary to the Bible. Please get your facts straight and stop trying to change the truth into a lie.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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Oh, please! Yeah, holding a race of people in slavery and torturing them for years is just a little Christian imperfection. I'll tell you this - I'm not guilty of anything remotely as bad as that!

But this doesn't address my original statement - who cares what the "founding fathers" believed or thought? We know a lot more now, and have progressed from much of the ignorance of those days. I don't care if they were atheists, Baptists, witch hunters, or believed in aliens. It has nothing to do with the 21st Century.
I am black so you are preaching to the choir. Would you like me to tell you how RACIST gays are to my people as well in the 21st century? We all fall short in front the glory of God. Do not fool yourself and think we are better than them.

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Old 01-19-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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The whole race was not tortured... there were certainly poor examples of some slave owners, but most had good relations with their slaves.
It can be easily argued that most of the world is in debt slavery, and compared to the homeless, and poor... most slaves had it better, than the decay of life and mind in the ghettos of the world and this country.

Slavery is obviously not the best we as a people can do, but it was far from torture, for the majority of those is bondage.

From one wage slave to another...


godspeed,

freedom
Dear God! There's just no arguing with ignorance like this. This post is blatantly racist!
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