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Old 01-19-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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I am black so you are preaching to the choir. Would you like me to tell you how RACIST gays are to my people as well in the 21st century? We all fall short in front the glory of God. Do not fool yourself and think we are better than them.
I'd be willing to bet that white gay people, as a whole, are no more racist than their heterosexual counterparts, if not less racist. It's sad that anyone is racist, but I don't understand why you bring this up. It still has nothing to do with my statement that in the 21st Century, we have a greater understanding of the human condition, psychology, science, etc., and much of what people in the 18th Century believed has been proven wrong. Therefore, why would be try and second guess their religious beliefs and base law off of those beliefs?
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:25 PM
 
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How can they think, act, feel the same if their interpretation of salvation is different? Is this possible? have any examples?
You are stuck on the interpretation of salvation . . . which is irrelevant . . . that is merely part of what does or does not motivate them and is likewise irrelevant . . AS LONG AS . . . they think, feel and act as Jesus. THAT is what is relevant. Romans 2:14

. . . When the Gentiles who have no law do by nature what the law prescribes, these having no law are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the law written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness to them, even when conflicting thoughts accuse or defend them.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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You are stuck on the interpretation of salvation . . . which is irrelevant . . . that is merely part of what does or does not motivate them and is likewise irrelevant . . AS LONG AS . . . they think, feel and act as Jesus. THAT is what is relevant. Romans 2:14

. . . When the Gentiles who have no law do by nature what the law prescribes, these having no law are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the law written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness to them, even when conflicting thoughts accuse or defend them.
Irrelevant, to who? I would thing salvation is very important unless you are a universalist.This does not explain salvation. How can we all be right? if we all have different interpretation.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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I'd be willing to bet that white gay people, as a whole, are no more racist than their heterosexual counterparts, if not less racist. It's sad that anyone is racist, but I don't understand why you bring this up. It still has nothing to do with my statement that in the 21st Century, we have a greater understanding of the human condition, psychology, science, etc., and much of what people in the 18th Century believed has been proven wrong. Therefore, why would be try and second guess their religious beliefs and base law off of those beliefs?
Now you are changing the argument. You are rating sin, calling the forefathers bad Christians for owning slaves. I say, we all fall short. Just because they lack in one thing does not mean they were not Christian. If that's the case and that's how you judge Christianity then none of us will make it to heaven
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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Irrelevant, to who? I would thing salvation is very important unless you are a universalist.This does not explain salvation. How can we all be right? if we all have different interpretation.
Stop focusing on interpretations and focus on the results that will ultimately decide our fate . . . thinking, feeling and acting in the LOVE that Jesus showed us and identified as the two primary commandments.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:40 PM
 
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Stop focusing on interpretations and focus on the results that will ultimately decide our fate . . . thinking, feeling and acting in the LOVE that Jesus showed us and identified as the two primary commandments.
You can't one without the other, example I believe Jesus is THE ONLY way, someone believes all roads lead to heaven. Some believe Jesus is the only way but he is a totally different Jesus then from mainstream Christianity. Who is right?
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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Stop focusing on interpretations and focus on the results that will ultimately decide our fate . . . thinking, feeling and acting in the LOVE that Jesus showed us and identified as the two primary commandments.
The Greatest Commandment and the second is like it. I love it when someone mentions those. You're a blessing, Mystic.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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Stop focusing on interpretations and focus on the results that will ultimately decide our fate . . . thinking, feeling and acting in the LOVE that Jesus showed us and identified as the two primary commandments.
If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do but that does not ensure salvation. Who is right. I am trying to see your theory.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:46 PM
 
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You can't one without the other, example I believe Jesus is THE ONLY way, someone believes all roads lead to heaven. Some believe Jesus is the only way but he is a totally different Jesus then from mainstream Christianity. Who is right?
If you don't think, feel and act with the LOVE Jesus showed us and commanded us to show . . . it won't make any difference WHAT Jesus you think you are following. The WAY is the path your soul or consciousness takes . . . NOT why you take it. If it is the SAME PATH as Jesus showed us . . . it will lead to the same place . . ."even if your thoughts accuse" you of thinking Jesus, God and the holy spirit are members of the Green Bay Packers.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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If you don't think, feel and act with the LOVE Jesus showed us and commanded us to show . . . it won't make any difference WHAT Jesus you think you are following. The WAY is the path your soul or consciousness takes . . . NOT why you take it. If it is the SAME PATH as Jesus showed us . . . it will lead to the same place . . ."even if your thoughts accuse" you of thinking Jesus, God and the holy spirit are members of the Green Bay Packers.
I am trying to understand where you are coming from. I know atheist that live better than many Christians but those Christians are going to heaven, the atheists are not.

The laws don't apply to salvation. Why would God allow these so so Christians in heaven but keep these great atheist out of heaven? I am trying to understand your concept.
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