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Old 01-20-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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Actually from the bible I read I don't see that at all. I see no conflict between the declaration of independence and the bible.
The majority of the 10 commandments would violate just about every US law on the books.

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Old 01-20-2009, 03:07 PM
 
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The majority of the 10 commandments would violate just about every US law on the books.

Just an fyi
um....no. You can't just read the Commandments and pit that against the Constitution, these are moral laws and correct me if I am wrong does not U.S. law have "the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law"

The bible in its entirety would not conflict with U.S. laws, in fact it would do better than U.S. Law.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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um....no. You can't just read the Commandments and pit that against the Constitution, these are moral laws and correct me if I am wrong does not U.S. law have "the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law"

The bible in its entirety would not conflict with U.S. laws, in fact it would do better than U.S. Law.
The 10 commandments clearly say you have to believe in Yahweh. This is forcing religion on people, which is exactly what the 1st Amendment is trying to avoid.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:12 PM
 
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The 10 commandments clearly say you have to believe in Yahweh. This is forcing religion on people, which is exactly what the 1st Amendment is trying to avoid.
Actually it only applies to those that acknowledge and believe in God.

God does not force himself on anyone.


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Old 01-20-2009, 03:14 PM
 
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The 10 commandments clearly say you have to believe in Yahweh. This is forcing religion on people, which is exactly what the 1st Amendment is trying to avoid.
Actually no, The commandment says to always put God first in your life. It first and foremost purpose was put there to expose sin and if we kept His commandments, it proved we loved Him; again moral law. The rest of the bible is very clear about free will.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:16 PM
 
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um....no. You can't just read the Commandments and pit that against the Constitution, these are moral laws and correct me if I am wrong does not U.S. law have "the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law"

The bible in its entirety would not conflict with U.S. laws, in fact it would do better than U.S. Law.
Uh yes. The 10 commandments would violate just about every U.S. law.

The first 4 commandments would violate the constitution.
Number 5 and number 7 are moral laws (respect mom and dad, don't commit adultery). There is no law against either of these.
What about number 10.. coverting. No law against coveting..
So we have commandments 6,8 and 9 left.
Its not illegal to lie.. people do it all the time. Only lying under oath is illegal.
That leaves us with only 2 commandment to go.. Don't murder and don't steal.
Well our laws provide for exemptions for murder (self defense). So I guess you could say the whole stealing thing we .. well stole from the 10 commandments and put forth into law.. but really.. there aren't too many countries that don't have laws against stealing. hardly a uniquely Christian value..

So my point was: 10 Commandments would violate US Law.

I believe the point was made.

As to your point about the entirety of the bible..

well well fundy.. You can't just pick and choose the verses you like from the bible can we? You either accept it all or none of it right? Pretty sure you've said that a few times.

So.. since the 10 commandments would violate U.S. law vis a vis the bible would violate U.S. law.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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Uh yes. The 10 commandments would violate just about every U.S. law.

The first 4 commandments would violate the constitution.
Number 5 and number 7 are moral laws (respect mom and dad, don't commit adultery). There is no law against either of these.
What about number 10.. coverting. No law against coveting..
So we have commandments 6,8 and 9 left.
Its not illegal to lie.. people do it all the time. Only lying under oath is illegal.
That leaves us with only 2 commandment to go.. Don't murder and don't steal.
Well our laws provide for exemptions for murder (self defense). So I guess you could say the whole stealing thing we .. well stole from the 10 commandments and put forth into law.. but really.. there aren't too many countries that don't have laws against stealing. hardly a uniquely Christian value..

So my point was: 10 Commandments would violate US Law.

I believe the point was made.

As to your point about the entirety of the bible..

well well fundy.. You can't just pick and choose the verses you like from the bible can we? You either accept it all or none of it right? Pretty sure you've said that a few times.

So.. since the 10 commandments would violate U.S. law vis a vis the bible would violate U.S. law.
Actually no it won't. You are stretching this, Would you like to look at how many civil laws are on the books, cussing in public, spitting in public. I have seen spouse suing another spouse for cheating and winning.

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Old 01-20-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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Actually no it won't. You are stretching this, Would you like to look at how many civil laws are on the books, cussing in public, spitting in public. I have seen spouse suing another spouse for cheating and winning.
No... I'm not stretching anything. Unlike you I clearly posted the "whys".
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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No... I'm not stretching anything. Unlike you I clearly posted the "whys".
I have no idea why any responsible Christian would base a constitution off the Ten Commandments alone or a passage, you must take the bible in its entirety. It's called systematic theology. You are trying to turn it into something its not.

The Ten Commandments is used to expose sin, bring people to Jesus Christ not run a government
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:46 PM
 
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I have no idea why any responsible Christian would base a constitution off the Ten Commandments alone or a passage, you must take the bible in its entirety. It's called systematic theology. You are trying to turn it into something its not.

The Ten Commandments is used to expose sin, bring people to Jesus Christ not run a government
Right fundie.. I'll type slow here..

I simply said the 10 Commandments would violate US law. Thats it nothing more.

I said nothing of using it to run a government.

I will however remember your "systematic theology" theory in other threads. How I can say "just look at it as a whole.. pay no attention to the scripture you quoted".

Me likey that ALOT!
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