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John 6
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The point is..........so many people claim that the RC Church is not Biblical and Catholics don't believe in the Bible. No one believes us when we say that the Church is very Biblical. Got your attention, didn't I?
The point is..........so many people claim that the RC Church is not Biblical and Catholics don't believe in the Bible. No one believes us when we say that the Church is very Biblical. Got your attention, didn't I?
I have been told by MANY...actually maybe every Catholic that I know that the Bible is "just a book written by men". That it is not credible. So my impression that the Catholic Church is not biblical comes from Catholics. My MIL, who teaches at a Catholic school has told me on a couple of occassions that it isn't until recently that the Catholic Church encouraged members to read the Bible! In discussions, I will pull out the Bible to make a scriptural point and since it's not a credible source to them...they brush it aside.
It's ironic to me that so many Catholics will easily discredit the Bible because it was "written by men", but they put ALL of their faith in trust in a Church (and traditions) also run by men.
BTW...I agree with Renriq02 when it comes to the last supper.
What ramifications or benefits are their to the believer who receives Jesus physically not only spiritually? Is to receive him spiritually alone enough for salvation according to Catholic belief?
What about those who receive him Physically but spiritually show no evidence of the presence of him in their life? I keep having more questions the further the discussion goes on.
this is why the communion aka Lord's Supper does not save a person
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Originally Posted by gracegirl
What ramifications or benefits are their to the believer who receives Jesus physically not only spiritually? Is to receive him spiritually alone enough for salvation according to Catholic belief?
What about those who receive him Physically but spiritually show no evidence of the presence of him in their life? I keep having more questions the further the discussion goes on.
What ramifications or benefits are their to the believer who receives Jesus physically not only spiritually?
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1 Cor 11:27 For this reason, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
Actually taking of the elements is sin if you take it without carefull personal examination.
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Is to receive him spiritually alone enough for salvation according to Catholic belief?
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I'm not RC... but I would say no. (my RC frieds can expound) Evangelicals believe communion is an essential part of the Christian faith and remains a basic tenent... but is not necessary for your salvation.
What about those who receive him Physically but spiritually show no evidence of the presence of him in their life?
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Who can see into anothers heart? On God can do that...It is not necessary for ouward evidence, for "man" to observe, to have Christ inside of you.... but I do agree that "spiritual fruit" helps us to see others as a good witness to Gods glory.
I keep having more questions the further the discussion goes on.
documents from the catholic church is not evidence
do you have anything in the bible that proves your point?
1. the Lord's supper was celebrated once per year
The early church didn't celebrate every week yet the catholic church celebrates it every week!
2. the oracles of God were given to the Jews as it states in the bible not to the Gentiles
Actually, you are wrong. In the Catholic Church, Mass is said every day (yes, I said EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK) EXCEPT Good Friday. During every Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist is included. So when you said we only celebrate communion once a week, you are completely wrong. Yes, some people only go to Mass once a week, but as I said, it's not just a once a week thing.
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! THose aren't CATHOLIC Documents. There just early church writings
I'm not gonna waste my time anymore.
! In discussions, I will pull out the Bible to make a scriptural point and since it's not a credible source to them...they brush it aside.
