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Old 11-04-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Post Mortem Salvation

It can be proven that all in the lake of fire called the second death will one day be saved. How so?

Look in Revelation. Christ is still reigning to the end of that book. There are kings (sovereignties, authorities and powers) in Revelation all the way to the end. Death is still going on in Revelation to its end. The apostle Paul saw beyond John's Revelation. This is proven in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28. Paul saw the day when:
  • Christ quits reigning
  • all sovereignties, authorities and power annulled
  • Death abolished
  • All subjected to Christ and
  • God All in all
This proves salvation after death.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:11 AM
 
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Post Mortem Salvation

It can be proven that all in the lake of fire called the second death will one day be saved. How so?

Look in Revelation. Christ is still reigning to the end of that book. There are kings (sovereignties, authorities and powers) in Revelation all the way to the end. Death is still going on in Revelation to its end. The apostle Paul saw beyond John's Revelation. This is proven in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28. Paul saw the day when:
  • Christ quits reigning
  • all sovereignties, authorities and power annulled
  • Death abolished
  • All subjected to Christ and
  • God All in all
This proves salvation after death.
Excellent analysis! One day ALL rule and authority will be put down, of course except for God the Father's almighty authority. Even those who are reigning in Rev 22:5 will not reign literally forever, because eventually their authority too must be put down and annulled.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:11 AM
 
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Post Mortem Salvation

It can be proven that all in the lake of fire called the second death will one day be saved. How so?


Look in Revelation. Christ is still reigning to the end of that book. There are kings (sovereignties, authorities and powers) in Revelation all the way to the end. Death is still going on in Revelation to its end. The apostle Paul saw beyond John's Revelation. This is proven in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28. Paul saw the day when:
  • Christ quits reigning
  • all sovereignties, authorities and power annulled
  • Death abolished
  • All subjected to Christ and
  • God All in all
This proves salvation after death.
Who is this thread for? can't be for Christians? since we hold on everyday to our salvation as the world laughs and mocks at us, hurts us physically, terrorizes us, brutalizes us but we can't be vendictive, we can't lash out, we can't even hate instead we MUST forgive. The more a person grows in holiness the worse the struggle becomes. Why do we go through such strife with the phyical, mental, spiritual as we buffet our bodies day in and day out to the point where we are longing to end this existence and be with Him. What was it all for?
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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Who is this thread for? can't be for Christians? since we hold on everyday to our salvation as the world laughs and mocks at us, hurts us physically, terrorizes us, brutalizes us but we can't be vendictive, we can't lash out, we can't even hate instead we MUST forgive. The more a person grows in holiness the worse the struggle becomes. Why do we go through such strife with the phyical, mental, spiritual as we buffet our bodies day in and day out to the point where we are longing to end this existence and be with Him. What was it all for?
Its so we will be made perfect Fundy. We are being tried in the fire, but will emerge as pure gold!
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:16 AM
 
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Why we believers suffer has nothing to do with what God is going to do with the rest of the loved ones of His creation who He will be All in.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:17 AM
 
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Its so we will be made perfect Fundy. We are being tried in the fire, but will emerge as pure gold!
what does that mean?
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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Why we believers suffer has nothing to do with what God is going to do with the rest of the loved ones of His creation who He will be All in.
I didn't ask that. I asked, what is it all for?
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Who is this thread for? can't be for Christians? since we hold on everyday to our salvation as the world laughs and mocks at us, hurts us physically, terrorizes us, brutalizes us but we can't be vendictive, we can't lash out, we can't even hate instead we MUST forgive. The more a person grows in holiness the worse the struggle becomes. Why do we go through such strife with the phyical, mental, spiritual as we buffet our bodies day in and day out to the point where we are longing to end this existence and be with Him. What was it all for?
To be ONE with God.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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what does that mean?
Its a metaphor, one which is used in scripture quite a bit.

Gold has impurities, flaws etc. The gold may be dirty, covered with wood or straw. It may be difficult to clean, and there is only one way to remove impurities. Put it in a fire. The dirt and debris will burn off. As the gold bubbles and turns to a liquid, the impurities float to the top and then can be removed (or are burned off).

Now, from the perspective of the gold, its probably not very fun. The gold has to go through fire, endure high temperatures and pressures. But the end result is worth it: 100% pure gold - perfection!

That is what God is doing to us.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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