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Old 01-20-2009, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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So state your point.

Is your point that since Jesus endorsed marriage between a man and a woman then homosexual sex is a sin since they aren't married?
My point is that homosexual sex is a sin on many levels. Jesus endorsing marriage as between a man and woman only further explains this fact.

 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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No.. they aren't all very good points. They are copied and pasted with no support for anything..

Every single point deals with either Sodom (translation issue)

or

OT law privy for priests

or

Corinthians (translation issue I already posted about)

In fact most of the points are just duplicates of one another. Its like 4 points.. thats it.
They are still very good points for a discussion concerning both sides. If you would like to explain your point better perhaps we could address it instead just a drive by assault.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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I want it to be understood that we do not hate anyone. Is it possible that your happy, healthy life may be damaging to the children you claim to love? We are not trying to pass laws to put you in prison, but laws are being passed world wide to put Christians in prison for hate speech and we just want everyone to know that we are reaching out in love. I realize that not all gay want marriage, not all gays want special laws, not all gays are militant, but the fringe few are the outspoken and trying to force laws and rules on others while screeming for tolerance when they are the ones not being tolerant. You do not want to compromise your beliefs and I am not going to compromise mine, bt I do not want you or anyone else to suffer for eternity because they made bad choices in the fleeting life.
My being gay is in no way "damaging" my children. You're about to cross a line you shouldn't be crossing, so leave my family out of it.

Don't you get it? I could CARE LESS what you think? I don't believe I'm going to suffer for eternity. I don't believe in your religion. There's no reason for us to even have this conversation. I suppose I should be the bigger man and let you fundings just bounce bible verses off one another in your echo chamber here until you tire of one another!
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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How could creating life equate doom?
Creating life isn't the issue. How we go about living the word of God is the issue. How we utilize the gifts He has given us. Just because we can do something, doesn't mean God likes it, or approves of our methods in subverting His will.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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My point is that homosexual sex is a sin on many levels. Jesus endorsing marriage as between a man and woman only further explains this fact.
And I presented evidence that your stance is wrong if you are viewing the Corinthians verse for your foundation.

As I haven't heard back concerning that point I must assume its conceded to me.

As such you either have another example or you fall back to the catch all "Jesus supports marriage between and man and a woman".

So I ask, is there another level (i.e. more scripture) that you are pointing to that leads you to the conclusion that homosexual sex is a sin on many levels other than the scripture I already refuted the translation of?
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Creating life isn't the issue. How we go about living the word of God is the issue. How we utilize the gifts He has given us. Just because we can do something, doesn't mean God likes it, or approves of our methods in subverting His will.

godspeed,

freedom
Oh, so now you know what God likes
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Oh, so now you know what God likes
As a matter of fact, I do.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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They are still very good points for a discussion concerning both sides. If you would like to explain your point better perhaps we could address it instead just a drive by assault.
Its not a drive by assault. I looked up every one of those pieces of scripture and reported the post since its clearly a copy and paste from a website with no source given. I'm staying away from referencing that post because of that.

However I can tell you that having gone through the process of looking up all the instances the poster noted they are all either doubled up or deal with what I've already said they deal with:

Sodom Translation
OT Law for priests
Romans Talks about the sin being Christians leaving God
Corinthians Translation.

Again.. I referenced this in the post above so I'm not sure how its a "drive by".
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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And there are plenty of studies to the contrary. Sorry but I do not like wearing womens clothing or shoes. Nice try. I understand it does not matter to you, if that is so then why are you here trying to cause strife where we are trying to find common ground?
Plenty of studies by such propaganda and hate groups as the "Family Research Council". How many sets of gay parents do you know? I'm guessing none. I know many, and I know how their kids have turned out.

What "common ground" are you looking for? I see none, other than what I suggested - live and let live.

The only way you're going to find common ground with me is for us both to move to another subject thread and drop this nonsense. What do you even expect to accomplish here? You obviously have issues with homosexuality and seem like you want to find some sort of validation for your choicees.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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I think alL you can do is preach christ and Him crucified..and that he rose on the third day. and we have this hope in earthen vessels...

this issue I have here is kind of like the one I have with people that keep score on soul winning and get militant and bent out of shape WHEN YOU SAY NO THANK YOU !

Let God do his job and let us each work our own salvation with fear and trembling.

Pastor John Burke of austin, tx has a comminuty church wrote a book called "No Perfect People allowed"

it is a must read for sinners (me) ( i was about to say believers)

His main punch line was for me " I witnessed to this young professional and explained to him the message of the cross and jesus christ. Then I asked him, " are you ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior?"

He then said to me, " No"

I said , "why?"

He said, " because I don't want to be like you."

Burke went on to say, " Ouch"

that is when he said he got it. The culture at a church has to be welcoming to the sinners(which means all of us) Jesus was loving to sinners. he was inviting.

Burke said throughout the book that many of his congregation conquered and dealt with alot of sin they had because he let the Holy spirit do His job and He as the pastor tried to get people to feel welcomed.

Sinners don't come to church because they hate a bunch of hypocritical liars and backbiters who act like they don't sin , but we know that is a joke.

THAT IS WHY WE ALL NEED A SAVIOR....

Peace and Love and Grace!
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