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Old 02-03-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Florida and East "by God" Tennessee
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Maybe two reasons:

1) Although Paul was and still is hugely important in Christianity, Peter was put in charge by Christ.

2) Only the old testament books were available when the Catholic Church was born at Pentecost. It took almost 400 years for the Bible to be canonized BY CATHOLICS. When the Bible states that scripture is useful, the Bible can only be referring to the old testament because that is all that there was.

I will say it again. Catholics, aka early Christians, not only compiled the Bilble, but predated the Bible by almost 400 YEARS.

Sola Scriptura is a false premise.
Glad to see your post modified with love... thanks.

Being right+saying it right = right
Being right+saying it wrong = wrong
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:42 AM
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Glad to see your post modified with love... thanks.

Being right+saying it right = right
Being right+saying it wrong = wrong
Just 'cause I changed it doesn't mean I don't believe what I had there originally, but thanks for noticing.

I Just thought it would be a bad idea to slam some of the folks on two separately issues. It waters down the original thought and if my comment is not too "pointy", I have a better chance at opening a few readers hearts in which the Holy Spirit can do Its work.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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Just 'cause I changed it doesn't mean I don't believe what I had there originally, but thanks for noticing.

I Just thought it would be a bad idea to slam some of the folks on two separately issues. It waters down the original thought and if my comment is not too "pointy", I have a better chance at opening a few readers hearts in which the Holy Spirit can do Its work.
and maybe He was working on you... as well

thanks again.......
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Maybe two reasons:

1) Although Paul was and still is hugely important in Christianity, Peter was put in charge by Christ.

2) Only the old testament books were available when the Catholic Church was born at Pentecost. It took almost 400 years for the Bible to be canonized BY CATHOLICS. When the Bible states that scripture is useful, the Bible can only be referring to the old testament because that is all that there was.

I will say it again. Catholics, aka early Christians, not only compiled the Bilble, but predated the Bible by almost 400 YEARS.

Sola Scriptura is a false premise.
Both of the 2 "maybes" are false. Paul planted the churches that Rome destroyed. The whole church body(catholic "real" meaning) was not "born" at Pentecost.
And back to my original point, it was Rome that incorporated the church body INTO it's religious and governmental system, not the other way around.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:36 AM
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and maybe He was working on you... as well

thanks again.......
You might be right on that one.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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After starting the thread on women pastors and elders, it seemed to me that women who think that it's ok for women to be pastors or elders in a church want to disagree with what the Word of God teaches on this topic.

So I am now asking what makes an elder or pastor qualified to be one in the church?

When we look at 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9, both assume that elders are going to be MEN. An elder, bishop, or overseer, must be THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE. (1Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6), and must manage HIS own h ousehold well, keeping HIS children submissive and prespectful in every way (1Tim. 3:4).
This seems to contradict the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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This seems to contradict the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here??
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here??
Absolutely not! I would seem to me that a minister or elder should concentrate on the Lord's work. According to Paul, the way to concentrate on the Lord's work is to remain single.

I believe this is a valid viewpoint. Afterall, it is quoted scripture.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Absolutely not! I would seem to me that a minister or elder should concentrate on the Lord's work. According to Paul, the way to concentrate on the Lord's work is to remain single.

I believe this is a valid viewpoint. Afterall, it is quoted scripture.
Oh I know, I'm just waiting to hear the resolution to the contradiction and what exceptions will be offered up.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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Oh I know, I'm just waiting to hear the resolution to the contradiction and what exceptions will be offered up.

????? Are you not happy with this bible passage?
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