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Old 02-02-2009, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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There is little hope for change in thick heads with simple minds . . so I am probably wasting my time even asking the literalists to explain this. WHY is it important to be OBEDIENT to God and not just loving? What does obedience show other than fear and/or desire for reward . . . my pet is obedient . . . is that enough? What do you think God needs or gets with obedience? What is the practical purpose of being obedient . . . what does it achieve?
Because we are incapable of trully loving without God and God is wherever we left him waiting for us to return, and the only way we can return to God is in obedience. That obedience is spelled out in the ministry of Jesus Christ. We are to strive to emulate Christ and the only way we can do this is to surrender to His will and stop relying on our own.
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:20 PM
 
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Seeker, I ask you, does what you share from the spirit line up with the word or are you picking and choosing the word to line up with the spirit you are serving? Please not offense intended, but we all fall short and must maintain a proper reference.
Intention schmintention . . . that is offensive. Clearly you believe that everyone who does not literally read the scriptures in a simple-minded (nay brainless) way is serving some evil spirit. There is no way for that not to be offensive and unwarranted (and not remotely loving). Seeker is always loving and you are not (but claim to be "toughly" loving). . . so who is more likely to be serving some destructive spirit? Look deeper into your motivations, Robin.
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Intention schmintention . . . that is offensive. Clearly you believe that everyone who does not literally read the scriptures in a simple-minded (nay brainless) way is serving some evil spirit. There is no way for that not to be offensive and unwarranted (and not remotely loving). Seeker is always loving and you are not (but claim to be "toughly" loving). . . so who is more likely to be serving some destructive spirit? Look deeper into your motivations, Robin.
No you too are loking for an attack where none is meant. I asked a question and you both take it as an attack. Can you answer the question honestly or are you going to show us some more non existant love you claim to have. Now that was offensive on purpose because you refuse to answer.
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso NM
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will someone PLEASE come forward explaining the origin(s) of the word SIN????

thank you.
sin (n.) O.E. synn "moral wrongdoing, offense against God, misdeed," from P.Gmc. *sundjo (cf. O.S. sundia, O.Fris. sende, M.Du. sonde, Ger. Sünde "sin, transgression, trespass, offense"), probably ult. "true" (cf. Goth. sonjis, O.N. sannr "true"), from PIE *es-ont-, prp. of base *es- "to be" (see is). The semantic development is via notion of "to be truly the one (who is guilty)," as in O.N. phrase verš sannr at "be found guilty of," and the use of the phrase "it is being" in Hittite confessional formula. The same process probably yielded the L. word sons (gen. sontis) "guilty, criminal" from prp. of sum, esse "to be, that which is." Some etymologists believe the Gmc. word was an early borrowing directly from the L. genitive. Sin-eater is attested from 1686. To live in sin "cohabit without marriage" is from 1838. Ice hockey slang sin bin "penalty box" is attested from 1950.sin (v.) O.E. syngian "to commit sin," from synn (see sin (n.)). Cf. Du. zondigen, Ger. sündigen. Form alt. from M.E. sunigen by influence of the noun.
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:45 PM
 
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Because we are incapable of trully loving without God and God is wherever we left him waiting for us to return, and the only way we can return to God is in obedience. That obedience is spelled out in the ministry of Jesus Christ. We are to strive to emulate Christ and the only way we can do this is to surrender to His will and stop relying on our own.
Apparently the only kind of love you can conceive of is one-way obedience to authority . . . nothing remotely independent and freely given. Sad . . . very sad.
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Apparently the only kind of love you can conceive of is one-way obedience to authority . . . nothing remotely independent and freely given. Sad . . . very sad.
There you go with more insults and still you cannot answer the question.
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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There you go with more insults and still you cannot answer the question.
How is that an insult . . . you yourself describe the requirement for love as obedience. The answer is my interpretations agree with the Word of God as clarified by Jesus (who IS the Word of God). Your old wineskins are burst and can't hold any wine . . . old or new.
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Old 02-02-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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sin (n.) O.E. synn "moral wrongdoing, offense against God, misdeed," from P.Gmc. *sundjo (cf. O.S. sundia, O.Fris. sende, M.Du. sonde, Ger. Sünde "sin, transgression, trespass, offense"), probably ult. "true" (cf. Goth. sonjis, O.N. sannr "true"), from PIE *es-ont-, prp. of base *es- "to be" (see is). The semantic development is via notion of "to be truly the one (who is guilty)," as in O.N. phrase verš sannr at "be found guilty of," and the use of the phrase "it is being" in Hittite confessional formula. The same process probably yielded the L. word sons (gen. sontis) "guilty, criminal" from prp. of sum, esse "to be, that which is." Some etymologists believe the Gmc. word was an early borrowing directly from the L. genitive. Sin-eater is attested from 1686. To live in sin "cohabit without marriage" is from 1838. Ice hockey slang sin bin "penalty box" is attested from 1950.sin (v.) O.E. syngian "to commit sin," from synn (see sin (n.)). Cf. Du. zondigen, Ger. sündigen. Form alt. from M.E. sunigen by influence of the noun.
Hey Michelle, thanks a lot for this, i just could not find the link, but had heard this here, and one of our media pastors has got it this way across to many people. appeals to the "rational ones" over here
(not meant to discredit the other explanation given, on the contrary).

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Old 02-02-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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How is that an insult . . . you yourself describe the requirement for love as obedience. The answer is my interpretations agree with the Word of God as clarified by Jesus (who IS the Word of God). Your old wineskins are burst and can't hold any wine . . . old or new.
No the whole bible is the word of God. Why do you cherry pick scriptures?
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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No the whole bible is the word of God. Why do you cherry pick scriptures?
I don't . . . I properly interpret them spiritually . . . not carnally. Simplistic literal reading is for carnal minds and is but "milk" . . . not solid food.
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