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I never knowingly disobey God. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, I am able to overcome temptation. I would rather die than to knowingly tell a lie.
Donna
It is true that God will give sufficient grace to a Christian to refrain from knowingly disobeying Him (however, we need to use that grace.. we need to choose to obey. It doesn't come automatically). But there will be grace also to repent of willful sin... and we must repent.
But what about sins of pride, causing our brother to stumble, that harsh word that slips out, the "sins of omission" (to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin). What happens to those sins?
1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
Who's seed is this? On the assumption that the seed is spiritually received, it follows then the spiritual side cannot sin. However we are not just spirit but flesh too. It depends which part is allowed to be seated on the throne of your heart.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the Devil: everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God, also he who does not love his brother.
The blue bit kinda sums it up again referring to the 2nd law of Jesus.
What righteousness are we supposed to be practicing here seeing that which we do in our own strength are considered to be equal to used menstrual cloths (filthy rags)?
I detect no love in the Kupp's posts. I detect nothing positive in the Kupp's posts. I detect mostly negative human traits, emotions, and motivations in the Kupp's posts. Based on these "fruits" . . . since they are ALL of human origin . . . I deem their interpretations are not of God, by God or from God, IMO.
I must have misunderstood your post. Why would anyone who says God can do all these things say this:
And who, exactly, says he can't?
i am but one of those digging deeper and deeper into discrepancies and that does make me sick. so it is my own fault.
any other way would have just been a shortcut, just as deadly.
missing a link? all this was said on this forum already.
should the crisis lead to continuing as usual absent any dissenters?
the most elegant final solution, imho.
no quotation marks necessary any longer. imho, too.
p.s.: "i am but a lone caller in the desert..." would imho sound preposterous and blasphemous, not imho, but in yours most likely, but i suppress that long before you can. and i am not the only one.
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Reason: the merciful one hears me right now and confirms..
We have explained in many posts that to "commit sin" is to knowingly and intentionally disobey God. Committing sin is rebellion against the authority of God.
Yet phony Christians have said: "God forgive me for what I am about to do." They knew they were going to disobey God --and they did it anyway.
They committed sin and are condemned.
Donna Kupp
What about sins that are not done knowingly, or intentionally, or with forethought? We actually are in agreement that Christian should not knowingly sin, with the thought that God will forgive me, that's just plain wrong, and I think everyone on here will agree. But there are still those slip ups that we did not intentionally mean to do.
Does that mean that after one becomes a Christian, that one slip up condemns us to hell and there is absolutely no hope for us?
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Originally Posted by Donna Kupp
I never knowingly disobey God. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, I am able to overcome temptation. I would rather die than to knowingly tell a lie.
Donna
I commend you on that. Every Christian should feel that way, and never knowingly disobey God. Now tell us, have you ever unintentionally sinned?
Some people on this forum have a pressing need to improve their reading skills. (that includes you Fundie). You have mis-represented what we have clearly written. We are saying the same thing that the apostle John said:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..."
1 John 3:9
We have explained in many posts that to "commit sin" is to knowingly and intentionally disobey God. Committing sin is rebellion against the authority of God.
Yet phony Christians have said: "God forgive me for what I am about to do." They knew they were going to disobey God --and they did it anyway.
They committed sin and are condemned.
Either, they have never fully repented in the first place; or, they can never repent again; because they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 6:4-6
If I said: "that man breatheth not". How hard would that be to understand? If he "breatheth not"; then he would not be breathing occasionally or breathing less.
Yet, apostate Christianity changes "sinneth not" to sinning occasionally or sinning less; but not habitually!
Donna Kupp
Wow...just wow. All of this points to the cross again and again. Who is able to be sinless 100%? Some say 'only the elect' and some say 'no one.' Personally, I fall into the 'no one' camp. But either way it still requires Jesus's atoning blood.
To preach any other way to heaven denies the cross and God's power to save.
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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Originally Posted by effie briest
i am but one of those digging deeper and deeper into discrepancies and that does make me sick. so it is my own fault.
any other way would have just been a shortcut, just as deadly.
missing a link? all this was said on this forum already.
should the crisis lead to continuing as usual absent any dissenters?
the most elegant final solution, imho.
no quotation marks necessary any longer. imho, too.
p.s.: "i am but a lone caller in the desert..." would imho sound preposterous and blasphemous, not imho, but in yours most likely, but i suppress that long before you can. and i am not the only one.
This conversation must be way over my head b'c now I'm really confused.
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