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Unread 04-09-2009, 01:52 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I think that hearing God is a very, very ,very difficult and sophisticated thing to do. I think it takes years and years of spiritual discipline to even begin to do this. And very few people accomplish this extaordinary feat.

But the mainstream Christian view just reduces it down to simply having faith and it being that easy. I know many,many Chirsitians who claim they communicate with God. Yet their lives are out of balance, they are unhealthy, they cannot control their emotions, they show lots of hate, etc.

I do not believe that THESE people talk to God. I think it's apparent that they do not.

You keep on asking me for facts and proof. And I think that you know that this is a foolish thing to ask. We are talking about God. There are no facts or proof with God. God transcends the material world.

When people talk about God. Proof will never be shown. And that's why battles and wars rage, and debates like this go on.
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I think that hearing God is a very, very ,very difficult and sophisticated thing to do.
Jesus is the one that said come to Him, so why would He make it hard to someone to come, that He invited.

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I think it takes years and years of spiritual discipline to even begin to do this. And very few people accomplish this extaordinary feat.
You said that you didn't believe that God spoke to people. I'm confused at your words. You say that God is powerful, but you don't believe that God will speak to us. God is powerful and can speak to who ever He wants to speak too. But now you say that it takes dicipline to hear God.

Having a relationship and being tune to hearing God is not easy and yes it does take discipline, but it is not impossible.

I have heard God's voice but that is because He wanted me to hear His voice, it was nothing that I did to make Him respond to me. You have to have a prayer life and allow God to do what ever He wants to do.

We can't reach God where He is, that is why He has to come and respond to us, if He didn't then we would never know Him. Of course God knows that.
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Unread 04-09-2009, 02:05 AM
 
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Jesus is the one that said come to Him, so why would He make it hard to someone to come, that He invited.



You said that you didn't believe that God spoke to people. I'm confused at your words. You say that God is powerful, but you don't believe that God will speak to us. God is powerful and can speak to who ever He wants to speak too. But now you say that it takes dicipline to hear God.

Having a relationship and being tune to hearing God is not easy and yes it does take discipline, but it is not impossible.

I have heard God's voice but that is because He wanted me to hear His voice, it was nothing that I did to make Him respond to me. You have to have a prayer life and allow God to do what ever He wants to do.

We can't reach God where He is, that is why He has to come and respond to us, if He didn't then we would never know Him. Of course God knows that.
I respect your beliefs, even though my own personal experiences have been very different. I can see that your beliefs make sense to you and that's good. We each live in our own world, and see the world through our own unique perception. That's the beauty of life.

Just remember that your way, is your way. It's not the way for everyone. Each person is unique. Avoid that trap of thinking that everyone must follow the same path to God. God is at the top of the mountain, and there are many different paths to the top of the mountain. Christianity is one of them.

I think that God is a lot like 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9 volts of electricity. And people are like light bulbs.

If you ran this electricity through a light bulb, it would not work. Maybe the light bulb would blow out? Maybe only about 120 volts of this would be used, and the rest would not be seen or go to waste? So the light bulb only experiences a very small amount of electricity, but thinks that it is getting the full amount, because it lights up.

The light bulb is just like a normal person with no spiritual discipline. They will only experience a small amount of God, and believe that they are seeing it all.

So, we need to transform ourselves from light bulbs into huge power plants. And then maybe we can see muc, much more of God, and understand God better.

And this takes hard work.
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Unread 04-09-2009, 04:12 AM
 
Location: fla
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How do you know that it is not? There are many voices, but only one belongs to God. If you don't have a relationship with God, then there is really no use in me explaining. There are somethings you shouldn't waste your time explaining to someone who does not believe.

good response
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Unread 04-09-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: MI
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Funky...something you said caught my eye. That it takes years and years or something to hear God. I think it's more about coming to Him with a childlike faith...which is incredibly hard to do, actually. lol Not to dispute what you said...just another way of looking at it, I guess.
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Unread 04-09-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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Those are called "thoughts", "dreams", and "hallucinations".

The only "voice of god" I've ever heard were that guy who did the movie previews and the old PA announcer for the Golden State Warriors...
Tsk...tsk...no, lefty, you're wrong as usual !
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Unread 04-12-2009, 09:10 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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tsk...tsk...no, lefty, you're wrong as usual !
lol
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Unread 04-22-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Yes and no..."it takes hard work."
Being a human being which sins in my thoughts, words, and deeds, I have no right to
"hear" God....yet through His great mercy, He still "guides" me....and that includes
giving me notice that He is near. The Word opens up God's voice to me. Other
human individuals are inspired to speak to me. Dreams that normally should be
forgotten the minute I wake up, are pressed into my mind. Connections are
highlighted for me....some say happenstance. Sometimes an inner voice tells
me short phrases. Sometimes I focus on happenings in an acute way, and if
I weren't aware that God was near, I'd normally just plain see it and not think
that it is God trying to "speak." Sometimes I wonder if it is God or just my
imagination, but then I realize that all is God, so it is Him.
I see and hear Satan as well. And yes, I mistakenly follow Him, too.
It is upsetting when I'm drawn in by evil, but then I have the choice to turn
around and walk away again...which I do just as soon as I realize that it
is Satan setting the conditions just right, knowing my quickness toward
anger and defense. I'm drawn in. It isn't right, but it happens to me.
Yet, God is caring nearby.
No, I haven't worked at getting God near me. It has just developed
naturally. It is like wanting to be next to a person that you really like and
admire, so you try to be next to Him. It isn't work. It is a drawing....
a natural affinity.
I do believe that all people have this natural affinity but some aren't quiet
enough to feel the pull, the gravity. The more a person "expects" God,
the more He is present to them.
No, it doesn't take work to "expect" God, just openness.
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Unread 04-22-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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^^^^^ Thank you for sharing your post and for being so honest. God has a voice and satan has a voice also. The more time that you spend with God, the more you will know His voice over satan. I encourage you to keep up the hard work, and we all are sinners.
Also some advice on your post, if you add spaces when you write, it will be easier for people to read. If not everything kind of runs together. I did the same and someone gave me the same advice.
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Unread 04-22-2009, 10:47 PM
 
Location: southern california
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kick in the head, 20 pages later, people have clearly posted truthfully and convincingly their personal experiences with god only to be utterly ignored or mocked. if moses were alive he would first be mocked and jeered on CDF then put on meds. you can believe harry potter but you cant believe anything related to god.
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Unread 04-23-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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kick in the head, 20 pages later, people have clearly posted truthfully and convincingly their personal experiences with god only to be utterly ignored or mocked. if moses were alive he would first be mocked and jeered on CDF then put on meds. you can believe harry potter but you cant believe anything related to god.
And obviously we can't believe anything pertaining to you.
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