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Old 02-05-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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Harold,

Why do you come to this forum? Why do you post?
Maybe he is an incarnation of Calvin.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:56 PM
 
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Harold,

Why do you come to this forum? Why do you post?

You have already posted this question and everyone of your and Donna's post have this exact same theme even if you post a different question.

You have a handful that agree with you. You have the majority that disagree with you. When scriptural proof is given to counter your doctrine of Christian perfectionism, you do not respond.

You misinterpret Christian doctrine and should not teach Chrisitan doctrine. I thoroughly defeated your David theory on another thread, showing where David deliberately and willfully sinned against God by taking a census years after his sin with Bathsheba. You did not respond with a counter to that.

Please, please, if you cannot see your own sin of pride and sowing seeds of dissension amongst the body, if you cannot see by your own doctrine you have damned your ownself to hell, please cease from teaching scripture as a hobby.
Amen. They have been ducking my questions for a while now. They're posting the same false doctrines under different topic names seems designed more as a spamming of the boards than a true attempt to witness and engage with us.
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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No. Because if you sin, you are no longer a Christian.
So there are no Christians in the world?
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Please, please, if you cannot see by your own doctrine you have damned your ownself to hell, please cease from teaching scripture as a hobby.
I agree with what you're saying about Harold and Donna's posts, but I'm curious, where does the Bible that that those who err in doctrine are damning themselves to Hell? Do we have a limit of incorrect doctrines we can believe and still go to Heaven, or does every person who has even one doctrine wrong end up in Hell?
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Oxford, OH
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When we surrender our lives to Christ and have our sins paid for we still have our old sin nature with us. Until we get to heaven we will have that battle. The bible talks about the carnal nature of Christains....we still sin after we become Christian. We achknowledge that sin, thank God he has paid for that sin, turn away from that behavior and thank God he loves us. We will never be sinless, you just can't bridle your tongue or you throughts as if you were perfect. If you were perfect you would not need a Savior.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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I agree with what you're saying about Harold and Donna's posts, but I'm curious, where does the Bible that that those who err in doctrine are damning themselves to Hell? Do we have a limit of incorrect doctrines we can believe and still go to Heaven, or does every person who has even one doctrine wrong end up in Hell?
If there is such thing as a rhetorical answer to a non rhetorical question, that was what I gave Harold. What I meant was that his teachings and his postings here were sinful, so by his (Krupp's) own standards, he had damned himself to hell, as his sowing seeds of discord for some kind of prideful ends are willfully sinning against God and he in full view of us all was not perfect.

No, the bible doesn't say that. However, the New Testament leaders were pretty vociferous about the teaching of heresy. I was taught that the difference in heresy and plain old error in teaching was that heresy negated the role of the cross and the divinity of Jesus, basically a salvation outside of Jesus. Error on the other hand was teaching on practice or lifestyle or whatever that didn't line up with sound biblical doctrine.

For someone to be guilty of heresy is a major infraction. It is not my calling to label something heresy over error. I will be bold enough to proclaim the Krupp teachings here as biblical error however.
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Florida and East "by God" Tennessee
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I agree with what you're saying about Harold and Donna's posts, but I'm curious, where does the Bible that that those who err in doctrine are damning themselves to Hell? Do we have a limit of incorrect doctrines we can believe and still go to Heaven, or does every person who has even one doctrine wrong end up in Hell?

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If there is such thing as a rhetorical answer to a non rhetorical question, that was what I gave Harold. What I meant was that his teachings and his postings here were sinful, so by his (Krupp's) own standards, he had damned himself to hell, as his sowing seeds of discord for some kind of prideful ends are willfully sinning against God and he in full view of us all was not perfect.

No, the bible doesn't say that. However, the New Testament leaders were pretty vociferous about the teaching of heresy. I was taught that the difference in heresy and plain old error in teaching was that heresy negated the role of the cross and the divinity of Jesus, basically a salvation outside of Jesus. Error on the other hand was teaching on practice or lifestyle or whatever that didn't line up with sound biblical doctrine.

For someone to be guilty of heresy is a major infraction. It is not my calling to label something heresy over error. I will be bold enough to proclaim the Krupp teachings here as biblical error however.
I Agree with Saintmarks... but would like to add...
when any teaching blasphemes the Holy Spirit... it shall not be forgiven of man.

I'm not gonna judge them... just caution them.

Mark 3:29
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Southwestern Ont., Canada
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I think for mature Christians, those who have walked with the Lord for some time, and have been strenghtened in him the OP, is how most would experience their relationship with God. But I'm also thinking about those new in the Lord, that may have addiction problems or other sins that are hard to shake off, and over time with continued revelation and wrestling can overcome them, I believe God's grace is enough in these situations as well.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, California
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Dear Lord God, Master and Savior, Could You please Create me, to be Begotten Of You and Born Of You, so that the Brand New Totally Real and True me, myself and I, never going to perform accidents, bloopers, blunders, mistakes, sins, sinful mistakes, transgression and evils? Thank You!
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Pike Road, Alabama
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John was writing to believers to protect them from the false teaching that one could be born of God and still commit (willful) sin. Many Christians commit sin - just as in John's day - but they are not yet born of God. That is the point you have missed.

HK
Harold...and what is your understanding of how one is "born of God"?
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