1 John 2:1 "If any man sin we have an advocate...." (believers, Holy Spirit)

[Betsey Lane]

My FLESH feel like singing: Here we go 'round' the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush........here we go 'round' the mulberry, so early in the morning...............


But my spirit is really saying: PEOPLE! Who in God's name can stop you from entering into the New Jerusalem? The Kingdom of God? Who would yooouuu let stop you? Other than yourselves?

[Harold Kupp]

Originally Posted by enter-His-rest

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It actually says that the disciples picked corn and broke the Sabbath too. I had not noticed that before but it backs up what I am saying. It was also a sin to heal on the Sabbath but Jesus did it.

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You have been misinformed - Jesus did not break the Sabbath - he was accused of breaking the Sabbath by the Jews who thought he broke their traditions and regulations added to the law of God. For the complete story go here:


HK

[iztikeit]

All sin comes from the heart, whether it be intentional or accidental. Willful sin is the conscious embrace of iniquity which already exists in the heart. Peter had to abandon his good conscience to remove himself from the presence of the Gentiles to eat with the Jews. His conscious undoubtedly told him he was not doing something to the glorifying of God, yet he created a division between the body of Christ anyway. Yet when Paul corrected him he graciously accepted it and repented in that instant.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Harold Kupp

You have been misinformed - Jesus did not break the Sabbath - he was accused of breaking the Sabbath by the Jews who thought he broke their traditions and regulations added to the law of God. For the complete story go here:


HK

Of cause Jesus never broke the true meaning of the Sabbath , he broke the tradition of the sabbath the Jews held to .

Jesus never broke any of the commandments , yet He broke every tradition and commandment from the jews do's and don'ts rule book.

Here's just one example

10On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, 11and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. 12When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity." 13Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.

14Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, "There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath."
15The Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"
17When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by Harold Kupp

Sin in 1 John 2:1?

John taught:

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Question: What was in John’s mind when he used the word sin? Was he talking about sins of ignorance or willful sin - or both?

Answer: As a Jewish man trained in the Scriptures we can be certain John understood that sins of ignorance could be forgiven and that presumptuous (willful) sin was not forgiven. John was taught from childhood that:

a. Sins of ignorance condemn to death (Lev 5:17*) and required atonement (Num 15:28*)

b. Presumptuous (willful) sin was not forgiven (Num 15:30*)

c. The Day of Atonement covered only sins of ignorance. (Heb 9:7*)

( * = complete verse quoted below )


In His first epistle John said that “…if any man sin we have an advocate…” At the same time John also taught that the child of God did not *commit* sin:

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

If the sin in 1John 2:1 is the same type of sin as 3:9 - John was would be contradicting himself because in verse 2:1 John says to the children of God “…if any man sin we have an advocate…” Yet in verse 3:9 John says “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin.”

John is not contradicting himself – in 2:1 he is referring to sins of ignorance (which required atonement) and presumptuous (willful) sin in verse 3:9. John distinguished between unintentional sin in verse 2:1 and willful sin in verse 3:9 by using the word “commit”. To “commit” sin implies knowledge and intent.


* In verse 3:9 John used the word “commit”. “…doth not commit sin.”

* In verse 2:1 John did not use the word commit “…if any man sin we have an advocate…”


The child of God may occasionally sin through ignorance or deception - which does not involve rebellion to Gods commandments. These sins can be forgiven by the blood of Christ just as an Israelite’s sin of ignorance was forgiven by the blood atonement.

On the other hand, the one who is born of God does not “commit” sin. To sin willfully involves rebellion – it is presumptuous sin and cannot be forgiven. There was no sacrifice for willful sin under either the Old Covenant or the New.

Hebrews 10:26* explicitly states that there is no sacrifice for willful sin for those who have received the knowledge of the truth. Why is there no mercy for one who has been born of God and then rebels against God’s law and sins willfully?

Even under the old Covenant the one who” despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:” They were immediately stoned to death.

Under the New Covenant we have direct communication with Jesus through the indwelling Holy Spirit. If there was no mercy for the willful sinner who had only the law and the priests to guide them – how much greater punishment is deserved for those who sin directly against the Holy Spirit?

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Under the New Covenant a person who rebels against God by sinning willfully does the following:

1. He “hath trodden under foot the Son of God,”

2. He “hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing,”

3. He “hath done despite [blasphemed] unto the Spirit of grace? “


For one who is born of God to sin willfully is to show contempt and scorn for Jesus and to reject the blood covenant by which he was counted holy as a child of God. It is an act of unspeakable evil to virtually spit in the face of the Son of God by rejecting his Lordship and refusing to obey.

The child of God who rebels by sinning willfully hath “done despite” to the Holy Spirit. It is an unpardonable insult to the indwelling Spirit of God and cannot be forgiven. It is blasphemy!

In the Old Testament to sin presumptuously was to blaspheme God.

Num 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

In the Numbers text above where it says that presumptuous sin is to reproach the Lord, the Hebrew word for reproacheth is:

1442 gadaph, a primitive root; to hack (with words), i.e. revile:
KJV-- BLASPHEME, reproach.

Every other time this word is used, the KJV translates it as BLASPHEMED or BLASPHEMETH.

For example: Ezek 20:27
" Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto
them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have
BLASPHEMED (1442) in that they have committed a trespass
against me.

As you can see, they "committed a trespass" and "blasphemed” the Lord.

*In the OT to sin presumptuously (willfully) is to blaspheme the Lord God.

* In the NT, to sin willfully (presumptuously) is to blaspheme the indwelling Spirit of Grace.


Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

God will forgive those who repent and are baptized all manner of past sin and blasphemy and give them the gift of the Holy Spirit. But for the child of God who hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace there is no forgiveness for willful sin. It is blasphemy!

The term "hath done despite” [blaspheme] is from the Greek:

2662 katapateo-

1) to tread down, to trample underfoot, to trample on
2) metaphorically, to treat with rudeness and insult,
to spurn, to treat with insulting neglect

If one who is born of God has truly repented of committing sin (made a covenant with God to cease from sin completely and forever) and then deliberately commits sin he has despised the Holy Spirit, just as the Israelites despised the Law of God. It is blasphemy!

The Pe****ta Text (Aramaic) of the New Testament confirms this fact by translating Hebrews 10:29 in this way:

"How much more punishment do you think he will receive who has
trodden underfoot the Son of God and has considered the blood of
His covenant through which he had been sanctified as ordinary blood
and has BLASPHEMED the Spirit of Grace."
Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts - Lamsa

KJ Version "...done despite unto the Spirit of Grace"
Aramaic Text "...blasphemed the Spirit of Grace”

Only the one "born of God” is able to blaspheme the Spirit who "writes the law on their hearts." If he does, there remains only "a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."


HK


VERSE LIST:

* Lev 5:17 And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.


*Num 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.


*Num 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

*Num 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.


*Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

*Heb 10:26-7 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

*Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:


*Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Any sin the elect committs has been paid for by Jesus christ..

[Donna Kupp]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Of cause Jesus never broke the true meaning of the Sabbath , he broke the tradition of the sabbath the Jews held to .

Jesus never broke any of the commandments , yet He broke every tradition and commandment from the jews do's and don'ts rule book.

Here's just one example

10On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, 11and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. 12When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity." 13Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.

14Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, "There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath."
15The Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"
17When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

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It is lawful to show mercy on the sabbath. Jesus did NOT get paid for setting the woman free from her infirmity! Many people receive payment for what they do on the sabbath and then they hypocritically compare their self-serving work with the compassionate acts of Jesus.

Donna Kupp

[beloved57]

harold ask:

Question: What was in John’s mind when he used the word sin? Was he talking about sins of ignorance or willful sin - or both?

All sin is in view, but its limited to the elect of God, all men without exception have Jesus christ as their Saviour, like the seed of the devil doesnt..

[lifesigns64]

If you do not keep the Sabbath from Friday Sundown to Saturday sundown are you going to hell??? IS there a "way" to keep the Sabbath??? Are the rules the OT rules . . . or are ther "modern" ways to keep the sabbath . . . can you drive, turn on lights????

If someone cuts you off in the car and you say a curse word . . . as we know in James that the tongue is evil . . . do we go to hell . . . when we know profanity is a sin . . . but in the flesh we can't help it . . . and in anger spew out a curse?

How can we possibly keep all 10 commandments . . . .if my mother robs me, abuses me, threatens me, and it is hard to honor her . . . do I go to hell?

If I have a dream about Brad Pitt . . . if I look at my neighbor buying a new boat and car, and I am in the process of foreclosure, and for a few moments I am envious . . . do I go to hell????

Please tell me, how in the flesh we can keep all 10 commandments?

And how do you keep the sabbath . . . not exchange money, go to a church service . . . . not turn on a TV . . . even if one tries . . . How do you know that Your defintion, is what God defines as keeping the Sabbath Holy?

God Bless,

[Harold Kupp]

Originally Posted by lifesigns64

If you do not keep the Sabbath from Friday Sundown to Saturday sundown are you going to hell??? IS there a "way" to keep the Sabbath??? Are the rules the OT rules . . . or are ther "modern" ways to keep the sabbath . . . can you drive, turn on lights????

If someone cuts you off in the car and you say a curse word . . . as we know in James that the tongue is evil . . . do we go to hell . . . when we know profanity is a sin . . . but in the flesh we can't help it . . . and in anger spew out a curse?

How can we possibly keep all 10 commandments . . . .if my mother robs me, abuses me, threatens me, and it is hard to honor her . . . do I go to hell?

If I have a dream about Brad Pitt . . . if I look at my neighbor buying a new boat and car, and I am in the process of foreclosure, and for a few moments I am envious . . . do I go to hell????

Please tell me, how in the flesh we can keep all 10 commandments?

And how do you keep the sabbath . . . not exchange money, go to a church service . . . . not turn on a TV . . . even if one tries . . . How do you know that Your defintion, is what God defines as keeping the Sabbath Holy?

God Bless,

Well, the first thing would be to look at the commandment itself>

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Then check out what Isaiah had to say:

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

I realize your comments were rhetorical in nature but they do bring out a common problem among modern Christians. In order to prove that no one can stop committing sin they attempt to trivialize sin by calling things sin which are not sin.

The Biblical definition of sin is "For sin is transgression of the law" referring to the ten commandments. And we must remember that God distinguishes between sins of ignorance (unintentional sin) and willful sin (rebellion).

For a more complete study of the "What is sin?" question go here

See deception #1 and 2

HK

[BYGRACEAREYOUSAVED]

If a person sins willfully after he/she is born again and has blasphemed the holy spirit,
and cannot be forgiven then the story about the prodigal son should not be in the bible! And if the apostle paul himself said he was " carnal sold under sin", then i guess he will not be in god's kingdom! The things he wanted to do he did not do and the things he did not want to do he did! We should all know that the apostle paul will be in god's kingdom so, so much for committing the unpardonable sin by sinning willfully after being born again! In the book of isaiah, god is married to the back slider! How many times in the bible has god "said return unto me". You cannot return unless you have been there! By all means we must ask god to help us to repent of sin but if we sin then we have an advocate with the father ( jesus christ ) . The blood of jesus cleanses us continually! King david committed adultery and had her husband killed and got forgave him! We should pray for one another that god will forgive us of all of our sins willful or not and help us with the power of the holy spirit to repent of our sins as much as possible! God bless !!!