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Christians are often so involved in defending their particular views that they soon lose sight of The BIG Picture.
What is The Big Picture? Well, if we look at the Scriptures as a whole, there is a theme that runs from Adam to Jesus, which is:
The "Big Picture" I get from the bible is this:
"For God so loved the world, He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" Jhn3:16
and this:
"Sin shall have no dominion over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace" Romans 16:4... I just love the book of Romans
one more:
"By grace you are saved through faith and not by your own doing. It is the gift of God, not of works,lest any man should boast"
..Ephesians2 8-9
for the road:
"With the ancient is wisdom, and in length of days is understanding" Job32:
"God hath made me to laugh, so that all who hear shall laugh with me" Genesis21:6
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And trying to sit in the judgment seat and tell folks who is and is not going to hell and heaven is exactly where Satan wanted to be....equal with God. So it appears you know my enemy, the devil, pretty well.
And why not go a little deeper with your 'teaching' from first John....like that part where it talks about people who claim to have no sin.....
Actually Satan was not content with equality, he wanted his stars above God.
Pride, power, ego. Sin.
All i can say is some "people" just make you wanna run to Christ dont they? Oh wait....i do because i sin everyday. Im human, and God loves me....He LOVES me. May not be big sins, may be little sins, like thinking Oh Lord i cant take the neighbor one more day....I sinned..."Love they neighbor" BUT God forgives me because he knows my heart...he knows im trying...he knows i love HIM.
Have you just accepted sin and weakness as a lifestyle instead of being aware of weaknesses and then using that love from God to overcome the weaknesses that can make you strong?
I think we can read and discern ourselves. Why is this OP so strange to believers.
Do we endorse sin as a lifestyle if we believe in Christ.
Surely belief is in degrees. The lowest is that even the devils believe, and they tremble, to those that believe keep the commandments.
How is it so many are fighting the message of righteousness?
godspeed,
freedom
The message of righteousness is an awesome one, that I have no problem with. The problem lies in their teaching that if a child of God wilfully sins one time, they are eternally lost. No hope. You're done. Period.
No Freedom i have not "just accepted" sin and weakness. God allows me to grow stronger every day. However...my point is this. I dont want to be PERFECT. I want to be the best i can be, i want to grow in the word, i want to steer away from sinful ways..however i am only human. And if i fall and stumble such as the example i have give previously...i know God will help me overcome. But to say you are PERFECT or SIN FREE...is absolutely mind boggling to me. You can follow scripture to the pinpoint and you will still stumble on occasion. If we were PERFECT that would be saying we do not need GOD. I dont know about the rest...but i need GOD at every moment.
Freedom...i dont know if i answered you, or if im way off base at what you were asking me, and i apologize if i was. Its just that some of these threads about sin are boggling me.
Blessings.
The message of righteousness is an awesome one, that I have no problem with. The problem lies in their teaching that if a child of God wilfully sins one time, they are eternally lost. No hope. You're done. Period.
I still havn't seen this from them, and it is puzzling, as even Jesus said that we grow from Grace to Grace, and that forgiveness is key to that growth.
Can anyone point to a post where they are saying eternal damnation for one that willfully sins?
No Freedom i have not "just accepted" sin and weakness. God allows me to grow stronger every day. However...my point is this. I dont want to be PERFECT. I want to be the best i can be, i want to grow in the word, i want to steer away from sinful ways..however i am only human.
This statement "i am only Human" sounds like an excuse. I believe we are not just human but spiritual children of God, put in human form that we might learn spiritual truths through physical examples and tests.
I also believe that God created us to be more than conquerors of the weaknesses that we have been given.
Take gravity, it is a power that fights against us from birth, yet we stand.
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And if i fall and stumble such as the example i have give previously...i know God will help me overcome. But to say you are PERFECT or SIN FREE...is absolutely mind boggling to me.
I've never said i am perfect, nor sin free. I've said that we can be, and that if we ask we shall receive, if we seek we shall find....
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You can follow scripture to the pinpoint and you will still stumble on occasion. If we were PERFECT that would be saying we do not need GOD. I dont know about the rest...but i need GOD at every moment.
Perfection is where we get to truly know God and see Him. Which is the opposite of not needing Him. Jesus is perfect and He said, I can only do what i SEE the Father do.
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Freedom...i dont know if i answered you, or if im way off base at what you were asking me, and i apologize if i was. Its just that some of these threads about sin are boggling me.
Blessings.
I understand, and it is boggling to think that we can be like our Lord, but it was Him who said we could and that we should.
It should be seen as the ultimate honor that God would create us without limits, for if we believe then All things are possible.
THe gift of Jesus allows us to grow from grace to grace without stress and is based purely on our desire to want to serve Him. To Ask, Seek, and Knock.
And trying to sit in the judgment seat and tell folks who is and is not going to hell and heaven is exactly where Satan wanted to be....equal with God. So it appears you know my enemy, the devil, pretty well.
And why not go a little deeper with your 'teaching' from first John....like that part where it talks about people who claim to have no sin.....
Hello Alpha,
I agree - it would be very wrong to try and decide who is going to heaven based upon my opinion.
That is why the apostle John was so careful to give us the information to judge ourselves - For example:
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It seems obvious that no matter how one would define "commandments" those who are breaking them do not know God.
Alpha wrote:
"And why not go a little deeper with your 'teaching' from first John....like that part where it talks about people who claim to have no sin.....[/quote]
Alpha - This seems like a curious thing to say since I did post an extensive study on that very verse. However that thread was closed by you.
If you would like to review what I had to say on that passage go here and another thread (which you also closed) on "have no sin" here
So if you would like to go a bit deeper on the subject I would be glad to chat with you.
HK
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