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Old 02-23-2009, 11:16 AM
 
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Maybe it just to make a point. A lesson. The impact of the lesson might decrease if it they knew it wasn't his.
That's fair but is that really what you believe it to be? when you listen and watch what does it look like to you?
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:18 AM
 
Location: MI
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These Pastors are leading us to believe they experienced this as a child, false stories which IS lying. They are shepherds who have ran out of relevant, radical concepts to teach the flock so they resort to buying sermons, maybe if they just preach what's in the bible, spend more time studying and praying then the Holy Spirit can guide them to a new sermon every week.
I asked if there is any other info out there besides the youtube clip. ??

How can we be so sure that these two men didn't have this experience when younger? I saw it happen to kids over and over.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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That's fair but is that really what you believe it to be? when you listen and watch what does it look like to you?
Oh i didn't even watch. I will in a bit. I'm not saying there aren't abuses of it. But that not every circumstance is wrong. Since you posting this I will assume for now that your prob right in THIS instance, but till I watch I can't say for sure.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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K. I watched it, now if there were marketing this to make money, and not just in their church, yeah it's wrong. But at the same time, I even think I've heard that sermon. That one might just be a common ground sermon. It didn't seem so bad to me.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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K. I watched it, now if there were marketing this to make money, and not just in their church, yeah it's wrong. But at the same time, I even think I've heard that sermon. That one might just be a common ground sermon. It didn't seem so bad to me.
It didn't sit well with me at all considering these Pastors were lying, setting a bad example but I can respect your view.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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It didn't sit well with me at all considering these Pastors were lying, setting a bad example but I can respect your view.
And I yours. I totally understand your aversion to it, but to me it one of the least thing to worry about in these time.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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Is there an ignore function here or something? lol

Does anyone know the names of the two men so we can look for more info?
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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Does anyone know the names of the two men so we can look for more info?
Why would you care? I mean the world is full of wanna be reporters who want to capture a "gotcha" moment so they can discredit someone or another so they can be big.....it worked for the guys at Watergate, didn't it? It only works if you put your faith in a guy/preacher/dude in charge......Listen to the message, assume the rest is drama, and pay close attention to the Spirit when you pray..........so simple even a cave man can do it.......
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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Why would you care? I mean the world is full of wanna be reporters who want to capture a "gotcha" moment so they can discredit someone or another so they can be big.....it worked for the guys at Watergate, didn't it? It only works if you put your faith in a guy/preacher/dude in charge......Listen to the message, assume the rest is drama, and pay close attention to the Spirit when you pray..........so simple even a cave man can do it.......
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Old 02-23-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: MI
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Why would you care? I mean the world is full of wanna be reporters who want to capture a "gotcha" moment so they can discredit someone or another so they can be big.....it worked for the guys at Watergate, didn't it? It only works if you put your faith in a guy/preacher/dude in charge......Listen to the message, assume the rest is drama, and pay close attention to the Spirit when you pray..........so simple even a cave man can do it.......
Honestly why do I care? Because Fundamentalist is so upset by this. I'd like to dig deeper just so I have something to talk to him about. He and I don't see eye to eye on much of anything, but we're together through and in our Savior...so I try to engage in conversation somehow.

But that's just me...I've been called naive all my life... I love people.
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