Love the sinner, hate the sin... (church, sinners, Jesus, Kingdom)

[elle aye]

It's a really popular statement, but can someone show me how to justify it?

You have wearied the LORD with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"
--Malachi 2:17

The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous

and his ears are attentive to their cry;
the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,

to cut off the memory of them from the earth.
--Psalm 34:15-16

You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

--Psalm 5:4-5

[ShanaBrown]

It's a really popular statement, but can someone show me how to justify it?

You have wearied the LORD with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"
--Malachi 2:17

The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous

and his ears are attentive to their cry;
the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,

to cut off the memory of them from the earth.
--Psalm 34:15-16

You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

--Psalm 5:4-5

Hi, the word "hate" in the OT has a meaning ranging from intense hatred to simple opposition. God opposes those who do evil and He hates sin. He loves sinners because He gave His Son for sinners. If He did not love sinners, Jesus would not have died for sinners. We are sinners saved by His grace. Please read Colossians 1



"15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16For by/through Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven

God bless.

[MusicBoxBallerina74]

A good example is Jesus' teachings about loving your enemy and being good to them. It's not easy. We have to remind ourselves that the sinner was made in God's image, that Jesus died for that sinner, and the sinner is held captive by Satan to do his will (sinning). It takes a loving heart and understanding to love a sinner that has wronged you. Christians are warned to stay away from every kind of sin. That's why we hate it. Sin only causes pain, trouble, and death.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by elle aye

It's a really popular statement, but can someone show me how to justify it?

You have wearied the LORD with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"
--Malachi 2:17

The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous

and his ears are attentive to their cry;
the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,

to cut off the memory of them from the earth.
--Psalm 34:15-16

You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

--Psalm 5:4-5

You make a good point elle aye. Sometimes it can be difficult for instance homosexuality. How can you separate the two? that's one of the reasons gay people get riled up and from their point of view. Who can blame them?

[RobinD69]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

You make a good point elle aye. Sometimes it can be difficult for instance homosexuality. How can you separate the two? that's one of the reasons gay people get riled up and from their point of view. Who can blame them?

Okay I quoted you because I wanted to add something; Hi buddy.

We have to look at the words of Paul where he lists all those who will not see the kingdom of God. After the list he firmly state, as were some of you. What we must understand is that God seperates us from our sin therefor as Fundy pointed out about the homosexuals, they are relating themselves to their sins which if they wish to be in Christ is a stumbling block to themselves because they as new creatures in Christ and therefor they are Christians who have a tendency or temptation to sin in a certain way. Another words they are not homosexuals or gays, they are Christians who are tempted by sexual sin and same sex attraction which they must resist in appreciation for what the Lord has done for them.

[Purple_Princess]

The best way for me to understand was to think of your own children. If your teen stole your car one night, robbed a 7-11 and wrecked it would you be pleased with it ? How displeased would you be ? Would you just hang up and go to sleep when they called and said your child was in the ER after the wreck ? Would you wring their neck as soon as they were feeling better ? Would you not love them anymore after all of that ? You were VERY angry AND you punished them severly but you STILL love them and came to their aid when they got hurt. EVEN though they got hurt while disobeying you. Hope this helps.

[little elmer]

This thread has a universalist tone to it.