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As these two questions could easily become a debate, and I would like to avoid that in this thread, please limit your response to the two (ok, three)questions I am about to ask.
To preface... pretty much every christian I have ever met has concured, the ten comandments are quite simple, universal, and apply to every beleiver without condition... If they are not, please say why.
- the sabath (7th and last day of the week) is comanded to be your holy day... if you worship sunday, the 1st day on any calander, instead of the 7th, what is the teaching that endorsed that?
- it is comanded to make no graven image of anything of heaven, or things of earth. I can't personaly remember the last time I went into a church that didn't have a cross in it. That strikes me as an image of something of earth that has great heavenly signifigance. If the cross immage is something you're into, how has that been tought to you?
If these 2 comandments are not part of what you believe, please respond with the explanation you have been tought... and again, please limit your responses to the questions asked... I'm not trying to start a riot here.
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- the sabath (7th and last day of the week) is comanded to be your holy day... if you worship sunday, the 1st day on any calander, instead of the 7th, what is the teaching that endorsed that?
I worship on the day that Christ rose from the dead - Sunday.
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- it is comanded to make no graven image of anything of heaven, or things of earth. I can't personaly remember the last time I went into a church that didn't have a cross in it. That strikes me as an image of something of earth that has great heavenly signifigance. If the cross immage is something you're into, how has that been tought to you?
The crucifix is a reminder of 1) how Christ died - suffering on the cross, etc, etc. 2) that Christ died for my sins. I'm not worshiping a cross or a statue or a picture or anything else. That is how it was taught to me in CCD. That is how it was reinforced to me in CNSA (Catholic Newman Student Association).
*Disclaimer* - For the record, I am Catholic. Born Catholic. Raised Catholic. Strayed from the Church. Returned HOME to the Church (after questioning my faith - and I'm not talking about my denomination...I'm talking faith altogether). To squash the inevitable bashing (from anyone) early (out of respect to the OP as well as being tired of the arguments...and just plain tired as I just got home from work), I will not debate these issues in this thread or give any more of an explination. Others are free to worship as they choose. Others are free to believe as they choose. Just don't force your beliefs down my throat in that "Militant Bible-thumping" fashion that so many people/denominations are famous for and I won't force my beliefs on you.
As these two questions could easily become a debate, and I would like to avoid that in this thread, please limit your response to the two (ok, three)questions I am about to ask.
To preface... pretty much every christian I have ever met has concured, the ten comandments are quite simple, universal, and apply to every beleiver without condition... If they are not, please say why.
- the sabath (7th and last day of the week) is comanded to be your holy day... if you worship sunday, the 1st day on any calander, instead of the 7th, what is the teaching that endorsed that?
- it is comanded to make no graven image of anything of heaven, or things of earth. I can't personaly remember the last time I went into a church that didn't have a cross in it. That strikes me as an image of something of earth that has great heavenly signifigance. If the cross immage is something you're into, how has that been tought to you?
If these 2 comandments are not part of what you believe, please respond with the explanation you have been tought... and again, please limit your responses to the questions asked... I'm not trying to start a riot here.
Only 9 commandments carry over to the New Testament, Sabbath was done away with but we are commanded to fellowship with the brothers, we should put aside at least one day to worship God and it can be any day of the week.
Graven images- The cross is a symbol of Christianity, we are not bow dow down to it nor worship it nor any kind of statue etc.....
Only 9 commandments carry over to the New Testament, Sabbath was done away with but we are commanded to fellowship with the brothers, we should put aside at least one day to worship God and it can be any day of the week.
Graven images- The cross is a symbol of Christianity, we are not bow dow down to it nor worship it nor any kind of statue etc.....
I am interested in why you say the Sabbath was done away with....sincerely....and what you find in the bible to substantiate this?
The Sabbath (Sunday for me) was meant to be a day of rest and it belongs to God. It is one of the ten commandments, therefore it should be adhered to. I can remember just 25 years ago that absolutely nothing was open on Sunday where I live....nothing. Now it's business as usual. The only "blue law" still in effect is no alcohol sales on Sunday. But all you have to do is go to one of the many bars and restaurants who have permits to sell it on Sunday. Or, skip on over to NC to load up on all your booze. I used to hate the blue laws in SC but now as a Christian I realize their importance. People can say what they want about the Bible belt, but I truly believe the Bible belt has delayed judgment on America. Until now.
It is my belief (this is not a "taught" belief, it's how I feel led by the Holy Spirit) that the "graven" image thing has been misinterpreted and it's being taken too far to include images of Christ and the Cross. It's dogmatic legalism when things get misconstrued like that. That's not what it means. It has to do with intentions, and worshipping statues or other man made images that have nothing to do with Christianity. I wear crosses, own huge silver cross earrings and I feel sure that you can rest easy knowing this doesn't apply to the crucifix or any pictures of God, Jesus, Mary, the apostles, etc. If it's pleasing to the eye, reverant and the image is meant to inspire worship of and prayer to God, then it's not what the commandment was referring to. PRAYING to these images is a whole other ball of wax.
I can't personaly remember the last time I went into a church that didn't have a cross in it.
I guess you haven't been in many seeker-sensitive churches, aka PDL churches, aka emerging churches, aka postmodern churches. The cross it too offensive for these people and it may hurt peoples' feelings. And we wouldn't want people to hear the offensive Gospel either, because then they might not come back to our church. Then we would fail in not making our church really big.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I submit there are more churches without the cross displayed today than churches with it. It's just a sign of the times.
p.s. for clarity's sake, the cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice, not a graven image.
No prob because it doesn't carry over into the New Testament. No mention of the Sabbath in the NT.
The Sabbath is mentioned many times in the NT.....not trying to be arguementative; I also believe we should set aside a day to worship...any day...now, tell me why I believe this...as I've tried to show others why I believe it...and then I find myself seeking all over again...
I should say please.
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