Are You Born Again? (Buddhism, Jehovah, Messiah, evolve)

[RobinD69]

If you do not believe the Bible is the word of God, you are not a Christian.

If you do not believe the gospel, then you are not a Christian.

If you discount parts of the Bible, you are not a Christian.

If you do not believe Jesus to be God in the flesh, you are not a Christian.

If you cannot share scripture to support your views, you are not Christian.

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

If you do not believe the Bible is the word of God, you are not a Christian.

If you do not believe the gospel, then you are not a Christian.

If you discount parts of the Bible, you are not a Christian.

If you do not believe Jesus to be God in the flesh, you are not a Christian.

If you cannot share scripture to support your views, you are not Christian.

A cat can believe he is a dog all he wants, but he's still a cat.

[RobinD69]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Stop this blatant lying about what I believe, Carolina. I deny NOTHING about the bible's authority. I believe the bible is INSPIRED by God. I believe Jesus is the Word of God. I deny your simple-minded ignorant interpretations of the bible! I suspect I know far more about the bible than most here. I credit its authority . . . but not the asinine interpretations of ignorant simple-minded literalists in their self-congraulatory exclusivity.

All this "you're not a true Christian" and only we will be saved by the magic of believing in mindless rote passages of a multi-authored, edited, restricted compilation of recordings . . . as if just saying and espousing belief has ANY value whatsoever. Belief has value ONLY in its ability to transform our "state of mind" to that of Christ . . . not to stroke the ego of God by praise and obeisance or "brown-nosing.". This exclusivity smacks of the age-old human quest for "specialness" . . . "Mom loves me best." "Dad loves me best." "I am one of the favored ones." Bah . . . humbug. God is not in ANY of that.

Mystic, we have tried to understand one another, but when you say that you deny no part of the Bible and then claim you do not accept primative interpritations, then you are denying portions of the Bible you think are primative interpritations. God favors those who love Him as He commands.

[Nikk]

Yes, I am born again!

[Bluefly]

Then Robin - state for the record that you endorse genocide.

State for the record that you believe children should be murdered.

State for the record that you believe people should go to hell for eating shrimp.

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by carlos123

No...I am a fourth grader scratching my head and trying to figure out why another fourth grader (you) is claiming to know calculus as a result of a mystical experience of calculus from within?

Carlos

Because what I have experienced has proven to work. Through this deceptive path, I have learned how we can eliminate abortion, war, and poverty in the world. I have come to experience the platitudes of Eastern tradition and Western as profound experiences which only later I could recognize within these institutional constructs.

I listened to a conservative Christian radio preacher who spoke of needing thousands of dollars to keep a loved one alive in the hospital. The preacher said he would return the with the money, but had no idea how he would get it. Before he left the hospital, he had been given the money.

That is the type of mystical experience of which I speak. It is accessible to that preacher as much as it is to me and you.

You are simply rooted in a mytho-rational worldview. You have not yet experienced the transcendent, so you condemn what you do not understand and believe God set out strict commandments that must be followed rather than elevating one's consciousness to lose any desire to experience those "sins" in the first place.

It is a very secular notion of Christ's message to which you adhere. You have chosen to worship a false idol (a book). I have chosen to be born again in Christ.

Both are valid paths. When you begin to understand quantum theory, you will understand why.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by Bluefly

Then Robin - state for the record that you endorse genocide.

State for the record that you believe children should be murdered.

State for the record that you believe people should go to hell for eating shrimp.

Whoah there partner, eating shimp was a dietary law. You do not go to hell for eating shimp especially since God lifted these dietary laws. See peters vision.

The laws of the OT are divided into categories, some are dietary, some were civil, some were ceremonial, etc... The ten commandments were given by God to Moses. These must be obeyed. The rest of the laws or the rest of the 613 were given by Moses. There is acually 614 law, but they do not count God first commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of God and Evil, since no one can any longer get to the tree. It is in the Garden of Eden and protected by an angel with a sword that points in all directions. Also the map to Eden appears to be missing.

So, you cannot go to hell for eating shrimp. I personally like them breaded with cocktail sause.

[Bluefly]

So, you endorse genocide, which is a CLEAR directive of the Bible if you believe a people occupy the land you feel should be yours.

Thank you for focusing in on shrimp and ignoring the parts about murdering children and races of people. You made my point quite beautifully that it is important to find God within rather than in the worship of false idolotry in a book.

At the root, two energies exist: Love and Fear.

Those who are fearful of betraying God for not following rules or being condemned for not worshipping are rooted in Fear with a thick and beautiful mask of love.

Those who exist within the realm of eternal unity between all life naturally are born again in Love.

The choice is yours.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Bluefly

So, you endorse genocide, which is a CLEAR directive of the Bible if you believe a people occupy the land you feel should be yours.

Thank you for making my point.

You don't truly understand the gospel, when you understand we ALL deserve hell, that we all deserve death because none of us are good, we are pedophiles, murderers in the eyes of God without Jesus because He is so perfect and holy. If you understand that it will put things in perspective.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by carlos123

And what? You would have us believe your words as opposed to virtually the countless words of others who have spoken about God and whose teachings have been encapsulated into the Bible?

You are alive today MysticPhD but I suppose if you wrote down what you believe and then died that you would have those who read what you believe after your death (in written form)....you would have them still believe only you as opposed to the many writings of others contained in the Bible that contradict your belief.

I use the same "writings" that you claim contradict me . . . to support me. What you really mean is that my interpretation of those writings differs from a simple-minded literalist interpretation . . . NOT that I am contradicted by ANYTHING in the bible.

I sought the bible out to find God BECAUSE I met the inescapable reality of of God in unconditional love and acceptance during deep meditation. For decades I scoured the scriptures of every faith seeking the most likely source of that reality . . . and it is Jesus. My path is far more personally powerful than just reading the words of many other witnesses. I didn't encounter Vishnu, Siva, Krishna, Buddha, Mithras, or Satan or . . . anyone else. That kind of love and acceptance was ONLY exhibited by one human . . . Jesus . . . even unto the death! ANYONE who does not have THAT kind of Spirit within them is NOT of Christ.

You discount the Bible outright because in part you believe it's writers were savages in comparison to our supposed enlightened spirituality of today and because you view the Bible as unrealible, just words...yet you would have us fall down and declare that you know what you are talking about when you pen your words and publish them digitally on this forum!

Again with the lies . . . I do not discount the bible outright or at all. I interpret it with understanding . . something literalist readers are ill-equipped to do . . . although if they used what they know of Jesus in their hearts as the lens through which they read . . . they would understand better.

You would have us believe the one, you, as opposed to the many who say otherwise.

The only ones who say otherwise have been the fundamentalist literalists with no credibility whatsoever for their close-minded exclusionist views born of ignorance of the spritiual message of Christ.

"That's irrational, illogical, and rather foolish if you ask me."