Are these Essential Doctrines Necessary? (churches, beliefs, dogma, scriptures) - - City-Data Forum

antredd · 03-05-2009, 06:48 AM

We may be members of different Chrisitan religions but the core to our beliefs where we must all agree sits on these major doctrines which include the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, the atoning work of Christ on the cross, and salvation by grace through faith. To remove or refute any of these central doctrines is to make the belief system non-Christian.

coosjoaquin · 03-05-2009, 07:07 AM

Don't the unitarians reject the Trinity?

beeveenh · 03-05-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by antredd

We may be members of different Chrisitan religions but the core to our beliefs where we must all agree sits on these major doctrines which include the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, the atoning work of Christ on the cross, and salvation by grace through faith. To remove or refute any of these central doctrines is to make the belief system non-Christian.

So are you trying to solidify what makes a Christian a Christian once and for all? Good luck with that

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antredd · 03-05-2009, 07:19 AM

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So are you trying to solidify what makes a Christian a Christian once and for all? Good luck with that

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I don't believe in luck..just trying to start dialogue.

Fundamentalist · 03-05-2009, 07:32 AM

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We may be members of different Chrisitan religions but the core to our beliefs where we must all agree sits on these major doctrines which include the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, the atoning work of Christ on the cross, and salvation by grace through faith. To remove or refute any of these central doctrines is to make the belief system non-Christian.

Yes they are very necessary but I don't think we should be dogmatic on all the doctrines with 100% agreement for instance the Trinity. Do we have to be believe some aspect to be saved? I believe yes but I don't believe we have to be in 100% agreement with the doctrine of the Trinity.

These doctrines were placed here to truly understand salvation, to understand God rightly and so forth.

beeveenh · 03-05-2009, 07:40 AM

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I don't believe in luck..just trying to start dialogue.

Ya know, I don't believe in "luck" either...

Are the "essential doctrines" really Christian to begin with?

DaniMae1 · 03-05-2009, 07:58 AM

Unfortunately this topic is a fire starter and unfortunately this topic is the very basis and I do mean the very bases or the foundation of Christianity. And WE owe it all to the so called "councils" All because of one fella and all of his "OWN" ideas and so called human reasoning. Does not the Bible say lay aside these doctrines. Paraphrasing here; But to lay aside the doctrine of Baptisms and so fourth, and move on to better things. If we as Christians continue to Argue over the basic fundamentals of Christianity how can you expect to grow. Study on your own and come to your own conclusion about these things. Now folks I'm just talking in general here not trying to cause a stir of debate. But let it be as it may. The topic of trinity and all that always catches my best..

Hubby (Allen) of DaniMae

twin.spin · 03-05-2009, 07:59 AM

The virgin birth is not a doctrine. Believing correctly about God is, which would include the balance of your list. The balance of the list is what makes the path narrow. To reject the balance is to reject either the plan of salvation or reject who God is.

Baptism is also necessary, but not absolutely necessary.
"believes and is baptized will be save, and he who believes not will be condemned"

Fundamentalist · 03-05-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaniMae1

Unfortunately this topic is a fire starter and unfortunately this topic is the very basis and I do mean the very bases or the foundation of Christianity. And WE owe it all to the so called "councils" All because of one fella and all of his "OWN" ideas and so called human reasoning. Does not the Bible say lay aside these doctrines. Paraphrasing here; But to lay aside the doctrine of Baptisms and so fourth, and move on to better things. If we as Christians continue to Argue over the basic fundamentals of Christianity how can you expect to grow. Study on your own and come to your own conclusion about these things. Now folks I'm just talking in general here not trying to cause a stir of debate. But let it be as it may. The topic of trinity and all that always catches my best..

Hubby (Allen) of DaniMae

Actually.....no. Wrong context. The Apostle Paul was constantly writing letters to the churches warning them they were straying off the path; for example- using correct doctrine like baptism but in a wrong legalistic manner. These doctrines do the same when used rightly they are guidelines supported by scripture to help the Christians differentiate what is false and what is truth to further our walk in the Lord.

ShanaBrown · 03-05-2009, 02:00 PM

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We may be members of different Chrisitan religions but the core to our beliefs where we must all agree sits on these major doctrines which include the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, the atoning work of Christ on the cross, and salvation by grace through faith. To remove or refute any of these central doctrines is to make the belief system non-Christian

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Hi, I agree that all are important except in for a belief in the Trinity and in the absolute Deity of Christ. There are too many scriptures which speak of the absolute Deity of the Father and which speak of the Son being subservient to the Father. There are many Christians who do not believe in the Trinity who believe that Jesus, the Son of God, died and rose again for them and this is of primary importance.

1 Corinthians 15
1And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood,
2through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,
3for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
4and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,
5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,
6afterwards he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain till now, and certain also did fall asleep;
7afterwards he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8And last of all -- as to the untimely birth -- he appeared also to me, (YLT)

God bless.