The hypocrisy of the softer side (woman, belief, mystic, Christ)

[Donna Kupp]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Now when I say, soft. I am talking about Christians who "condemn and judge" but then say, they are not judging people like me because they believe we are hurting people's feelings and pushing people away from the faith and yet have no valid scripture. They believe the gospel to be love and soft rather than the truth, a truth which is the gospel; harsh and hard for many to swallow, "a two edged sword"

I have heard people in here say, we are self righteous? A person who is self righteous believes they are perfect and without sin. I know no one in this forum who believes that.

I have heard that we are the means, spiteful ones yet time and time again the ones who name call are the attackers of us.

I have heard the softer Christians say, our way of delivery of the message is wrong and that we are wrong for pushing our view....hmmmmm correct me if I am wrong are you not doing the same to us? by pushing your views.

I have heard we should not judge and that we are wrong but then you are judging us as well?

I have heard we follow scripture to hard and we don't allow the holy spirit to guide us enough IN LOVE. My question is how do we know that, who told you that? was it scripture?

I have heard God is love and that's all he is doing is loving us but they don't like to mention the "bad" things God did, they just skip over it.

I have heard that we are not loving and that we don't show love? Putting aside oneself, leaving the comforts of a soft, cushy life going out into the world amidst the mocking and hating in a world that is hating Christianity more and more and telling people about an impending doom and the way to be saved is loving.

I have heard that we should be more like Jesus and love everyone because Jesus loved and bring everyone to the gospel in love......
I don't know how people missed it but Jesus used some really harsh words, words I wouldn't use yet I am accused of not being Christ like? and even if you don't agree and still believe that He was so loving to the world......

Yet they killed Him.

You don't agree with some of us, fine but do not use strawmans, contort scripture to attack us. Use scripture rightly and within the proper context because then and only then will we listen and even examine ourselves, stranger things have happened.

So bring your scriptures on. Show us what we are doing wrong afterall it is for our benefit

Thanks for this well thought out and accurate analysis of the situation.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by skbs

Let's just say I've been in the outfield and hit smack dab between the eyes on one of the big swings....

I don't think it has anything to do with putting your views down... I think it has to do with the fact that the people you are talking to have their own views and you don't care. People can have a civil conversation and get points across without beating eachother over the head constantly with harsh words or scripture ALL THE TIME.... sometimes you reach more poeple if you actually TALK to them...

I know you are speaking partially of the thead I started about the Image of GOD and how I felt that God was Love... I did ask that everyone respect eachother's view and opinion.... I didn't want it to be a thread where people felt threatened to post. I am often put down in this forum for my beliefs, because I am a Catholic. I just wanted to make sure people in that thread did not feel the way I do when I post in many threads here. It was nothing against your own personal views...it is just hard to make everyone feel welcome enough to post when someone is preaching to the group telling them they are wrong for their views....

Sometimes preaching isn't needed......sometimes it is just friendly discussion the thread is looking for.... looking at how others just see things... Sometimes, You catch more bees with honey.....

Also, I don't think it is a Group situation- but a PERSONALITY thing.... I am not a hostile individual.... I don't like confrontation.... when I feel someone is attacking me or my beliefs it makes me very uncomfortable.... I don't think it is a religious problem you are encountering but a personality conflict......

I'm the guy who bunts... 'member?

I get what your saying. I do wanna add; each of us still wears skin, and it's easy to irrate skin. No one is immune from being hurt by what others say, Words do have power.

Hurt, guilt, conviction... they all have something in common, we are uncomfortable. Hurt and guilt is not God's work... that is the evil one. Conviction on the other hand is the Holy Spirit... and ole conviction, it may feel the same as hurt and guilt... but it's not.

Guilt and hurt make us withdraw, quit, give up... conviction on the other hand might move us into the cave for a short time but we come out of our spiritual hibernation because we see a need to "renew", change, recharge, be comforted, move forward, need for growth.

We need to be more like stamps... they stick until the message is delivered.

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Now when I say, soft. I am talking about Christians who "condemn and judge" but then say, they are not judging people like me because they believe we are hurting people's feelings and pushing people away from the faith and yet have no valid scripture. They believe the gospel to be love and soft rather than the truth, a truth which is the gospel; harsh and hard for many to swallow, "a two edged sword"

I have heard people in here say, we are self righteous? A person who is self righteous believes they are perfect and without sin. I know no one in this forum who believes that.

I have heard that we are the means, spiteful ones yet time and time again the ones who name call are the attackers of us.

I have heard the softer Christians say, our way of delivery of the message is wrong and that we are wrong for pushing our view....hmmmmm correct me if I am wrong are you not doing the same to us? by pushing your views.

I have heard we should not judge and that we are wrong but then you are judging us as well?

I have heard we follow scripture to hard and we don't allow the holy spirit to guide us enough IN LOVE. My question is how do we know that, who told you that? was it scripture?

I have heard God is love and that's all he is doing is loving us but they don't like to mention the "bad" things God did, they just skip over it.

I have heard that we are not loving and that we don't show love? Putting aside oneself, leaving the comforts of a soft, cushy life going out into the world amidst the mocking and hating in a world that is hating Christianity more and more and telling people about an impending doom and the way to be saved is loving.

I have heard that we should be more like Jesus and love everyone because Jesus loved and bring everyone to the gospel in love......
I don't know how people missed it but Jesus used some really harsh words, words I wouldn't use yet I am accused of not being Christ like? and even if you don't agree and still believe that He was so loving to the world......

Yet they killed Him.

You don't agree with some of us, fine but do not use strawmans, contort scripture to attack us. Use scripture rightly and within the proper context because then and only then will we listen and even examine ourselves, stranger things have happened.

So bring your scriptures on. Show us what we are doing wrong afterall it is for our benefit

This here is an appropriate message: Got Fruit?

[Harold Kupp]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Now when I say, soft. I am talking about Christians who "condemn and judge" but then say, they are not judging people like me because they believe we are hurting people's feelings and pushing people away from the faith and yet have no valid scripture. They believe the gospel to be love and soft rather than the truth, a truth which is the gospel; harsh and hard for many to swallow, "a two edged sword"

I have heard people in here say, we are self righteous? A person who is self righteous believes they are perfect and without sin. I know no one in this forum who believes that.

I have heard that we are the means, spiteful ones yet time and time again the ones who name call are the attackers of us.

I have heard the softer Christians say, our way of delivery of the message is wrong and that we are wrong for pushing our view....hmmmmm correct me if I am wrong are you not doing the same to us? by pushing your views.

I have heard we should not judge and that we are wrong but then you are judging us as well?

I have heard we follow scripture to hard and we don't allow the holy spirit to guide us enough IN LOVE. My question is how do we know that, who told you that? was it scripture?

I have heard God is love and that's all he is doing is loving us but they don't like to mention the "bad" things God did, they just skip over it.

I have heard that we are not loving and that we don't show love? Putting aside oneself, leaving the comforts of a soft, cushy life going out into the world amidst the mocking and hating in a world that is hating Christianity more and more and telling people about an impending doom and the way to be saved is loving.

I have heard that we should be more like Jesus and love everyone because Jesus loved and bring everyone to the gospel in love......
I don't know how people missed it but Jesus used some really harsh words, words I wouldn't use yet I am accused of not being Christ like? and even if you don't agree and still believe that He was so loving to the world......

Yet they killed Him.

You don't agree with some of us, fine but do not use strawmans, contort scripture to attack us. Use scripture rightly and within the proper context because then and only then will we listen and even examine ourselves, stranger things have happened.

So bring your scriptures on. Show us what we are doing wrong afterall it is for our benefit

Nice work Mr Fundamentalist... you expressed what was on my mind but was not able to put in words. Who would ever thought a Fundamentalist type could actually reason and analyze a situation so well.

HK

"Who knew"

[Harold Kupp]

Originally Posted by june 7th

Let's just say there's a reason why June won't even think of attending a game anymore...

Huh - can't have a game without an unbiased umpire....

HK

[Miss Blue]

I just try to keep my eye on the coach and hope for a home run at the very end of the ninth..

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by june 7th

Let's just say there's a reason why June won't even think of attending a game anymore...

'member to look up and keep horizontally aware. ya can't sit in the stands and read a "girlie" book!

PS... bring your ole glove

I'm just saying...

[Miss Blue]

June definitely needs a glove ..Seems she gets hit with the foul balls in the game here

[RobinD69]

Thanks Fundy, Good work.

What I am seeing in alot of the opposition is a lot referance to comfort or me and my. If you are caught in sin, then you should not be comfortable with the Lords word. If the word makes you uncomfortable perhaps you need to search yourself and see where you fall short.

As for fundamentalists being self righteous, then someone is not paying attention. I for one openly admit my faults, you know beam in eye verses speck. I have seen Fundy do the same thing and share his struggles. We are not perfect and do not pretend to be but if you think we are then perhaps you need to check yourself.

The Kupps share a lot of facts that get attacked by those who misunderstand. If you believe you are indwelled by the Holy Spirit and you cannot resist sin, then perhaps you need to recheck just what Spirit you are listening to. Too often we listen to the world and not the Lord but want others to believe we are listening to the Lord because we are selfish and want to be self righteous.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

As for fundamentalists being self righteous, then someone is not paying attention. I for one openly admit my faults, you know beam in eye verses speck. I have seen Fundy do the same thing and share his struggles. We are not perfect and do not pretend to be but if you think we are then perhaps you need to check yourself.

Since this is the second defense of self-righteousness on the basis of one's actions . . . let me clarify that it exists for the truth and validity of one's BELIEFS as well . . . not just one's actions. It is perfectly possible to know one is not righteous in all their actions and still be self-righteous about their BELIEFS as the ONLY TRUE ONES.