Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 03-25-2009, 06:27 PM
 
1,393 posts, read 1,744,161 times
Reputation: 172

Advertisements

Appointed time
When will the Gospel end? At what point there is no more salvation!

Psalm 78:65-66:Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouted by reason of wine. And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts: he put them to a perpetual reproach. And he smote his enemies in the hinder hinder parts he put them to a perpetual reproach.

Heb 6:1-3 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,


Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

II Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that
day shall not come, except there come a falling away first. (Is people falling way? YES!)

I Peter 4: 17and if it first being at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


The Scriptures are clear on their doom:
26If we go on sinning after we have learned the truth, no sacrifice can take away our sins. 27All that is left is a terrifying wait for judgment and a raging fire that will consume God’s enemies. 28If two or three witnesses accused someone of rejecting Moses’ Teachings, that person was shown no mercy as he was executed. 29What do you think a person who shows no respect for the Son of God deserves? That person looks at the blood of the promise (the blood that made him holy) as no different from other people’s blood, and he insults the Spirit that God gave us out of his kindness. He deserves a much worse punishment.

Those who sin cannot excuse themselves, or escape the judgment of God.
Romans 2:1-29 1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.


2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.


3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?


4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?


5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;


6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:


7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:


11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:


15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.


16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,


18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;


19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,


20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.


21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?


22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?


23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?


24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.


25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.


26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?


27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?


28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Matt 13:20-22 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.


22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.


How long will by sins keep me in bondage?


Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Romans 1:18-32For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven aginst all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but because vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to unclenness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature, (Satan) more than the Creator, (God) who is blessed for ever. A-men.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debaie, deceit, malignity; whispers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understnding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 6:23For the Wages of Sin is Death. This is the second death.

Revelation 2:11He that over cometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

In Rom. 1:18;God’s wrath is in view.

In Rom. 1:19-20;Man can sees the power of God in the world.

In Rom. 1:21-22;Man refuses to give God glory and honor, and man’s manifestation, total spiritual deadness, and total depravity, beginning with our first parents, Adam and Eve.

In Romans 1:24, 26, 28; God give them up to a Reprobate mind,

And Romans 1:29-31;There are 24 Sins, God speak about in these verses.

In Romans 1:32;Man knows he deserves to be damned and that he persists in his sins, and that he even enjoys and delights to see others to sin against God, because of his depravity.


When will the Gospel end? At what point there is no more salvation!

II Thessalonians 2: 3 for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.

Matthew 13:25But while men slept, His enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Mark 13:22For false Christ’s and false prophets shall rise and shall shew signs and wonders, signs are images of Jesus Christ or Idols.

Psalm 96:4-5For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are Idols but the Lord made the heavens.

Isaiah 2: Their land also full of Idols; they worship the work of their own hands that which their own fingers have made.

Jeremiah 50:38A drought is upon her waters: and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their Idols.

Zechariah 10:2For Idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie and have told false dreams; their way as a flock, they were troubled because there was no shepherd.


Acts 15:20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of Idols, and from fornication and from things strangled and from blood.

Romans 2:22Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery ? Thou that I do are, dost thou commit sacrilege?

Revelation 9:20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and Idols of gold and silver and brass and stone and of wood: which neither can see nor hear, nor walk.

In our synagogues and temples and churches they are beginning to fall away from the truth, as man sits in the seat of God. Now this is a slow process as the Government, Public Places, and the Courts, Schools, and finally our Constitution, and our Church. The Church structure is beginning to change and God warns us that all the churches will become spiritual Babylon. We can find many more verses in the Old Testament and New Testament that Satan has dominion over all denominations, congregations and churches.

1- Yes, there is point when their will no longer forgiven.
2- The pastor who did this was never saved, only professed to be saved but spiritually speaking he was "tare" a "fallen star" an "Edom-ite."

Hebrews 6: 8 beareth thorns and briers is rejected
Matthew 13:40As therefore the tares gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mark 13:24 - 25 states; But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun was darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark 13:25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

...the fallen "stars" represent Edom or the "tares." The tares are in the church's throughout the Church Age - today, with the wheat. The wheat, (the true believers); the tares, (the unsaved who proclaim to be saved and are not.) They are those who are not the elect of God unto salvation because of their prideful hearts and unwillingness to believe and listen to God's word instead of their own false beliefs.

It is called a work Grace Gospel.

Ezek 28:2-10 Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up;
(Tyrus is a rich merchant city, but as I understand it, it represents the rich churches of today.)
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (The church in Laodicea)
The tares and the wheat look just alike; you can not tell them apart, they call each other brethren. Just like Jacob and Esau were brothers and they were twins...both tares and wheat are a part of the Church.……..all through the church age God has not revealed to the local congregations the enormous war that has been going on between Satan and the local congregations.

When the Day of Judgment comes, on that day the sun will become darkened, the moon will give no more light, and on that day, they should believe a lie. The Moon represents God, the light the Gospel of Salvation, the moon in appointed timeno more sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:26 No more Word, no more Gospel, no more mercy, in days following great tribulation.

Job 20:6 identifies with this; though his haughtiness mounts up to the heavens, and his head reaches to the clouds, yet he will perish forever like his own dung, (annihilation), 9 the eye that saw him will see him no more. Finally, a complete end Ezek 28:2-10 Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

II Thessalonians 2: 12That they all might be damned who believe a lie but not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
II Thessalonians 2: 11And for this cause them strong delusion, that should believe a lie.


Ezek 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:


Ezek 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:


Ezek 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

Ezek 28: 6Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Ezek 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

Ezek 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

Ezek 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Ezek 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Revelation 18: 4; Thus sayeth the Lord, come out of her my people, do not become partakers of her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues.

II Corinthians 11:13-15For such are false apostles, deceitful workers transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

II Thessalonians 2: 12;That they all might be damned who believe a lie but not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

II Thessalonians 2: 11; And for this cause them strong delusion, that should believe a lie.

I Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table and of the table of the devils.

Mark 13:22, 20, and 19: for false Christ and false prophets shall rise, and show signs and wonders, to seduce if it were possible even the elect. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, He have shortened the days. For in those days shall be affection, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Jeremiah 25:7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your hurt.

Jeremiah 15:6I am weary with repenting.

Jeremiah 25:18 thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, a hissing and a cure;

Hebrews 6: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Matthew 13:40As therefore the tares gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matt 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, (No more Gospel) and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

. Shepherds over the flock:
Throughout the Bible image of Shepherd is an important one. God provides Shepherd,Teachers and Pastors for His people to watch over them, guide and care for them, and lead them. From Mose in the Old Testament to Jesus in the New Testament, God the Father provides faithful, devoted leaders after His own heart. God rules with a heart of knowledge and understanding, not falsehood and deceit.
The word WOE a harsh message from Jesus of Judgment. Shepherds: In ancient Middle East, the ideal of Great king Ps 3: 1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. And was reflected in the reign of David, the shepherd-king, But instead of protecting and nurturing the nation, the shepherd kings of ISRAEL had scattered and not attended to or “visited” the people.
The people had not sought the Lord, nor had the priests, rulers, or prophets. Those who should have known God most intimately did not know God at all. The rulers transgressed against God and His Covenant.
The prophesied in the name of Baal rather than God. In Judah’s lifestyle, instead of correcting their erroneous behavior, the people were engaged in perpetual backsliding, falling deeper and deeper into sin and despair. Hold Fast: In stubborn defiance, the people clung to their lives in deceit or “treachery.”
God give the responsibility of maintaining justice Judah’s, Pastors, leaders had become Dull-Hearted as in Hebrews 5: 7 – 14 7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.


11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.


12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.


14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Dumbfounded by the chastisement that God the Father had brought upon them.
Because the leaders of the people had sought God with a whole heart, they would not prosper with the growth of the flocks. Instead the Shepherd would lose their flocks. The people would be scattered like sheep. Jeremiah: Some scoffers dared to defy The living God and the word revealed through Jeremiah, taunting the Lord to bring the judgment threatened by His spokesman, Jeremiah pointed out that he took no pleasure in proclaiming judgment. He remained a devoted Shepherd who was intimately concerned for his own people.

. God Give Answers to the Shepherd
Jeremiah 12: 5If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? And if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?


6For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee.


7I have forsaken mine house, I have left mine heritage; I have given the dearly beloved of my soul into the hand of her enemies.


8Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest; it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it.


9Mine heritage is unto me as a speckled bird, the birds round about are against her; come ye, assemble all the beasts of the field, come to devour.


10Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.


11They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.


12The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace.


13They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.


14Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and
pluck out the house of Judah from among them.


15And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.


16And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.


17But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 21: 11 – 14; 22: 1 – 23, 11 And touching the house of the king of Judah, say, Hear ye the word of the LORD;


12O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver him that is spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.


13Behold, I am against thee, O inhabitant of the valley, and rock of the plain, saith the LORD; which say, Who shall come down against us? or who shall enter into our habitations?


14But I will punish you according to the fruit of your doings, saith the LORD: and I will kindle a fire in the forest thereof, and it shall devour all things round about it.

1Thus saith the LORD; Go down to the house of the king of Judah, and speak there this word,


2And say, Hear the word of the LORD, O king of Judah, that sittest upon the throne of David, thou, and thy servants, and thy people that enter in by these gates:


3Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.


4For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people.


5But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the LORD, that this house shall become a desolation.


6For thus saith the LORD unto the king’s house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.


7And I will prepare destroyers against thee, every one with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire.


8And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city?


9Then they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.


10Weep ye not for the dead, neither bemoan him: but weep sore for him that goeth away: for he shall return no more, nor see his native country.


11For thus saith the LORD touching Shallum the son of Josiah king of Judah, which reigned instead of Josiah his father, which went forth out of this place; He shall not return thither any more:


12But he shall die in the place whither they have led him captive, and shall see this land no more.


13Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour’s service without wages, and giveth him not for his work;


14That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is ceiled with cedar, and painted with vermilion.


15Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him?


16He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD.


17But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.


18Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah; They shall not lament for him, saying, Ah my brother! or, Ah sister! they shall not lament for him, saying, Ah lord! or, Ah his glory!


19He shall be buried with the burial of an ass, drawn and cast forth beyond the gates of Jerusalem.


20Go up to Lebanon, and cry; and lift up thy voice in Bashan, and cry from the passages: for all thy lovers are destroyed.


21I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will not hear. This hath been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyedst not my voice.


22The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.


23O inhabitant of Lebanon, that makest thy nest in the cedars, how gracious shalt thou be when pangs come upon thee, the pain as of a woman in travail!

Jeremiah 23:1Woe is unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.


2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.


3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven
them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.


4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.


5Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.


6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top