Obama Abandons Israel (history, pastor, religion, America)

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Hoosier

Well I think it's because Netanyahu wouldn't do what Obama wanted so he had a hissy fit and stormed out.

Well Hoosier my friend its called negotiations. You wanna play international diplomacy with the big boys then you don't announce new settlements in East Jerusalem when the VP of the United States is in Israel for a visit.

Tit for tat.. I love the fact that Obama said "well.. nothing else has changed so I"m gonna go eat dinner with my family. Call me down if anything changes".

Originally Posted by Hoosier

Could also be because of his Muslim background and Netanyahu is Jewish

Obama is a Muslim? Really? People are still using that tired old argument?

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Oh come on Insane, you know this country started out as a Christian nation. Remember our coins that say "In God we Trust"? But don't worry, I'm sure that will be changing also.

So from 1776 to 1864 what was this country? I mean no "In God We Trust" on the coins during that time..

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Oh come on Insane, you know this country started out as a Christian nation. Remember our coins that say "In God we Trust"? But don't worry, I'm sure that will be changing also.

I would really love to see when and where this was a unanimous conclusion. I'm also glad it never was because this would mean unsavory things like slavery and absence of women's rights are all part of being a 'Christian nation.' Guess those were the "good old days."

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

I would really love to see when and where this was a unanimous conclusion. I'm also glad it never was because this would mean unsavory things like slavery and absence of women's rights are all part of being a 'Christian nation.' Guess those were the "good old days."

What is it that restricts you from saying this "was" a Christian nation? It was what this country was founded on. It's not now, of course, so feel free to say that if you like. Slavery and no women's rights were the fault of men, not women and neither Christianity nor women had any part in all of that. If Christian women were running the country none of that would have happened. What say you to that?

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

What is it that restricts you from saying this "was" a Christian nation? It was what this country was founded on. It's not now, of course, so feel free to say that if you like. Slavery and no women's rights were the fault of men, not women and neither Christianity nor women had any part in all of that. If Christian women were running the country none of that would have happened. What say you to that?

Show me where this nation was once a theocracy, like say, ancient Israel or some Muslim countries today? There have always been people who WANT it that way and who BELIEVED it that way, but when was Christianity THE law of the land?

If you believe that because Christian ideas and principles saturated the society and thus this made it a 'Christian nation' then you must realize that same saturation generated the notion that slavery was okay and that women were not on par with men in many regards.

That being said, I am willing to wager that MANY who claimed to be Christians back then held and abused slaves and if you disqualified them as Christians, you would have been hard pressed to find enough TRUE Christians to justify this country being a Christian nation back then.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

What is it that restricts you from saying this "was" a Christian nation? It was what this country was founded on. It's not now, of course, so feel free to say that if you like. Slavery and no women's rights were the fault of men, not women and neither Christianity nor women had any part in all of that. If Christian women were running the country none of that would have happened. What say you to that?

[Hoosier]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Obama is a Muslim? Really? People are still using that tired old argument?

You can read it for yourself right here. The excerpt is from his speech to the Turkish Parliament April 6, 2009. I pulled this directly from the White House website. Remarks By President Obama To The Turkish Parliament | The White House




Obama speaking to Parliament: "I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world -- including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them." (Applause.)

[Betsey Lane]

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[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Hoosier

You can read it for yourself right here. The excerpt is from his speech to the Turkish Parliament April 6, 2009. I pulled this directly from the White House website. Remarks By President Obama To The Turkish Parliament | The White House




Obama speaking to Parliament: "I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world -- including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them." (Applause.)

Why do you guys pretend (I hope) that you have no reading comprehension when beneficial to your cause? The man was just saying that he is an EXAMPLE of an American who has Muslims in his family.

Let's use another example and change Muslim to "Christian."

The United States has been enriched by American Christians. Many other Americans have Christians in their families or have lived in a Christian-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them." (Applause.)

Does it sound like this is saying the person is a Christian or that there are Christians in their family?

Let's pull his quote again and add the implied.

The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them who came from a family with Muslims in it." (Applause.)

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Hoosier

The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them." (Applause.)

Quite literally Obama is referring to HIMSELF as someone who has been enriched by Muslim Americans, has had Muslims in his family and has lived in a Muslim-majority country.

He isn't saying he is a Muslim.



EDIT: Oh.. and I don't care what religion he is. I wouldn't care if he worshiped the great Styrofoam cup God. However, many in this country do. I don't bemoan them for that fact. However, making up ridiculous LIES concerning religion for political gain is lower than snake crap in my book.