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Old 04-20-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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Jesus created the Roman Catholic Church. The rest were created for various disagreements in doctrine or political reasons. Keep the RCC and can the rest.

(Let the salvos begin)
Jesus was dead before christianity took over the religious artifacts and governance from Mithrasism in Rome right about the year 325 to 327. Therefore, he could not possibly have started the Roman Catholic Church.

You could argue his teachings did, or the Holy Spirit did, or something else. Then we could debate that...but arguing that Jesus did is just historically inaccurate.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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Jesus was dead before christianity took over the religious artifacts and governance from Mithrasism in Rome right about the year 325 to 327. Therefore, he could not possibly have started the Roman Catholic Church.

You could argue his teachings did, or the Holy Spirit did, or something else. Then we could debate that...but arguing that Jesus did is just historically inaccurate.
We can trace our leader all the way back to Peter, and then Jesus. So no it is not historically inaccurate.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:14 PM
 
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We can trace our leader all the way back to Peter, and then Jesus. So no it is not historically inaccurate.
Your history books are just based on myths.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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Doesn't it say in Thesolonians (Spelling?) that the church Jesus started would fall away? Martin Luther wrote that the Catholic chuch had departed from its origins. From his writings another church started. Others did a similar thing. Still other religions split from those that split. One question is if you split from one organization and start another does that make you the true church? Another point that is made in the Bible is that the truth would need to be restored to the earth. If someone is a follower of Christianity and by reading the Bible they find that the truth would be taken from the earth but restored at a later date, then should we be following a church that has severed ties from another church, or should we be looking for a church that claims to be the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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Thats what happens when you loose a central authority (aka the Pope), anyone with their own spin of the bible, and bam! a new church is born.
Or when you decide that the Bible isn't enough and create the office of pope to follow...


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We can trace our leader all the way back to Peter, and then Jesus. So no it is not historically inaccurate.

Jesus never promised that the leaders of the church would be infallible.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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the spanish inquisition knew exactly the right number of other denominations and had such an effective means to achieve it, thank you cardinal cisneros.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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the spanish inquisition knew exactly the right number of other denominations and had such an effective means to achieve it, thank you cardinal cisneros.

Do you have a clue how many people were killed during the spanish inquisition?
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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the spanish inquisition knew exactly the right number of other denominations and had such an effective means to achieve it, thank you cardinal cisneros.
WHAT??? Are you proposing that athe catholics have not murdered enough Jews and Muslims and should murder more?
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:04 PM
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Jesus never promised that the leaders of the church would be infallible.
He never specifically said the leaders would be infallible, but Jesus did say that the Church would be. And I quote: "and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Aka, if you don't believe His Church, you may mostly get Jesus, but you don't completely get Jesus. (Matthew 16:13-19) Read it, live it, love it.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:34 PM
 
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He never specifically said the leaders would be infallible, but Jesus did say that the Church would be. And I quote: "and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Aka, if you don't believe His Church, you may mostly get Jesus, but you don't completely get Jesus. (Matthew 16:13-19) Read it, live it, love it.

Explain how that means that the magisterium or the pope would not teach error.

By stating that the church would not be defeated does not imply infallibility.
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