Ransom in the Old Testament and New (Jehovah's Witnesses, church, Jesus Christ)

[Eusebius]

Do an exhaustive study on the word Ransom (sometimes translated "redeem" in the O.T.) and prove to yourselves what must happen to a human or animal that has been ransomed.

Then go to 1 Timothy 2:6 and see what Christ did for all mankind and smile.

Eusebius

[Eusebius]

Has anyone finished their study on ransom yet?

[Eusebius]

Well, come on Bible students? No one here has studied "ransom" in their bibles yet?

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Do an exhaustive study on the word Ransom (sometimes translated "redeem" in the O.T.) and prove to yourselves what must happen to a human or animal that has been ransomed.

Then go to 1 Timothy 2:6 and see what Christ did for all mankind and smile.

Eusebius

No Jesus christ did not ransom all mankind..but all sorts and types of mankind..for He didnt ransom these obviously Matt 25:


41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by beloved57

No Jesus christ did not ransom all mankind..but all sorts and types of mankind..for He didnt ransom these obviously Matt 25:


41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Actually, dear beloved57, Christ did in fact ransom all mankind. The Jehovah's Witnesses change "all mankind" in 1 Timothy 2:4 to "all sorts of men" I believe. That does not make them wrong but it does not make them right either, nor you right or wrong.

The fact is this: Christ gave Himself a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6) and based upon that God says that He will have all mankind to be saved (1 Tim.2:4).

Matthew 25:41 and 46 do not contradict the plain statement of 1 Tim.2:4-6 and 4:10,11. They go into eonian (Greek: AIONION) fire which is the fire pertaining to that AION/eon. That eon only lasts 1000 years so it cannot contradict God.

The really sad thing of this is that you refuse to prove to yourself what ransom is all about in the whole Bible. Every person ransomed must be freed and are freed. There is just no way getting around this fact. Search it out yourself. Prove it out for yourself. Don't just take my word for it.

Peace.

Eusebius

[beloved57]

Actually, dear beloved57, Christ did in fact ransom all mankind.

No He didnt, He didnt ransom the devil and His children..he didnt shed one drop of blood for the devil..

[kdbrich]

Define "all"

[ShanaBrown]

The fact is this: Christ gave Himself a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6) and based upon that God says that He will have all mankind to be saved (1 Tim.2:4).

and

Colossians 1:15-20
15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.17. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.18. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.19. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20. and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

God bless.

[beloved57]

The fact is this: Christ gave Himself a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6) and based upon that God says that He will have all mankind to be saved (1 Tim.2:4).

A ransom for all of the many..matt 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

The devil and his seed arent saved by the ransom blood of Jesus christ, you have been decieved..

[ShanaBrown]

Every person ransomed must be freed and are freed.

Amen, Eusebius. God bless.