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I don't find it repugnant. I find hicks who watch televangelists from their trailer all day and call the 800 numbers to be bad news. I know so many of these preachy (Christian) people to be more flawed than the non-preachy (Christian) people. As one politician said "Walk softly and carry a big stick."
Faith is ACTION, not GRANDSTANDING. That said, there are Baptist fundies who are not in adherence to Christian principles and some who are. Also, there are Greek Orthodox folks (yes, baby, with all their statues and icons) adhering to Christian principles and those who do not.
Faith is ACTION, not GRANDSTANDING. That said, there are Baptist fundies who are not in adherence to Christian principles and some who are. Also, there are Greek Orthodox folks (yes, baby, with all their statues and icons) adhering to Christian principles and those who do not.
Actions speak louder than words.
I agree but truth is truth. You may get mad at hypocrite conservatives but is what they say, truth? Don't throw the message away because the messenger is tainted.
I don't find it repugnant. I find hicks who watch televangelists from their trailer all day and call the 800 numbers to be bad news. I know so many of these preachy (Christian) people to be more flawed than the non-preachy (Christian) people. As one politician said "Walk softly and carry a big stick."
Hmmm. So as someone with over 16 years of military service, a BS and MS, and someone who never watches televangelists or calls religious 800 numbers, how do I fit in your condescending condemnation of people with conservative Christian values?
To robertpolyglot: As Christians we SHOULD be striving to be thinking of Christ in all we do, throughout the day, 24/7. He is our anchor and it his His Grace that saves us. We should be striving to let the Holy Spirit guide us in all we do.
To the conservative respondents to this thread: Yes, the Bible is full of passages that show God's wrath. But that is God's, not ours. I don't recall any Bible passages that mention God's wrath and then tell us to "Go and do likewise." Rather, passages instructing us are focused on loving thy neighbor. A hellfire and brimstone approach is entirely misplaced and counter to what is needed. We are to preach the Gospel - the "Good News" of what Christ has done for us. That doesn't include trying to instill fear in their hearts.
To robertpolyglot: As Christians we SHOULD be striving to be thinking of Christ in all we do, throughout the day, 24/7. He is our anchor and it his His Grace that saves us. We should be striving to let the Holy Spirit guide us in all we do.
To the conservative respondents to this thread: Yes, the Bible is full of passages that show God's wrath. But that is God's, not ours. I don't recall any Bible passages that mention God's wrath and then tell us to "Go and do likewise." Rather, passages instructing us are focused on loving thy neighbor. A hellfire and brimstone approach is entirely misplaced and counter to what is needed. We are to preach the Gospel - the "Good News" of what Christ has done for us. That doesn't include trying to instill fear in their hearts.
Whaaaaat???? In the words of John MacArthur: What kind of bizzare exaggerations are you accusing people of.
Not to mention you have given no scripture to support your point?
To robertpolyglot: As Christians we SHOULD be striving to be thinking of Christ in all we do, throughout the day, 24/7. He is our anchor and it his His Grace that saves us. We should be striving to let the Holy Spirit guide us in all we do.
To the conservative respondents to this thread: Yes, the Bible is full of passages that show God's wrath. But that is God's, not ours. I don't recall any Bible passages that mention God's wrath and then tell us to "Go and do likewise." Rather, passages instructing us are focused on loving thy neighbor. A hellfire and brimstone approach is entirely misplaced and counter to what is needed. We are to preach the Gospel - the "Good News" of what Christ has done for us. That doesn't include trying to instill fear in their hearts.
You're presuming we are going out and saying "Oooooh you're bound for hell.....oooh your damned." We are merely responding to topics where judgment, sin, and the consequence of sin are the topics or associated with the topic.
And when someone's soul is endangered, it's quite unloving to pretend no danger exists and to not inform someone is in danger. It's like going to the neighbor's house to borrow some butter, arriving and seeing half the house in flames, and then just asking for butter as if the house were not engulfed though the owner knows no better and you justify not telling him because you don't want to upset him.
When sin, condemnation, et al. is relevant to the topic, it's a duty to tell the ugly truth. If it isn't relevant to the topic then by all means highlight the uplifting aspects of faith.
Hmmm. So as someone with over 16 years of military service, a BS and MS, and someone who never watches televangelists or calls religious 800 numbers, how do I fit in your condescending condemnation of people with conservative Christian values?
I was actually being condescending to people who are condescending. I don't evangelize. People know what my faith is. If they have their own faith, great. If they don't have a faith, they have to ask me and want to find out more. I don't believing in forcing myself or my beliefs on others.
If you quote scripture to people or shake your finger at them, then you would be condescending. If you don't, then you're not condescending. This thread has nothing to do with the continuum of liberal to conservative religious values; rather, it has to do with too much quoting and too much pointing/shaking of the finger. I should have made that clearer. The latter is annoying and brings on the attitude "what gives one such authority?"
I was actually being condescending to people who are condescending. I don't evangelize. People know what my faith is. If they have their own faith, great. If they don't have a faith, they have to ask me and want to find out more. I don't believing in forcing myself or my beliefs on others.
If you quote scripture to people or shake your finger at them, then you would be condescending. If you don't, then you're not condescending. This thread has nothing to do with the continuum of liberal to conservative religious values; rather, it has to do with too much quoting and too much pointing/shaking of the finger. I should have made that clearer. The latter is annoying and brings on the attitude "what gives one such authority?"
Good question. What authority lead to this behavior? "All authority in heaven and on earth..." would be the answer. Matthew 28 (New International Version)
Matthew 28
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
It is an interesting fact that brimstone in the Hebrew text is tyrpg, transliterated as gophriyth, which figuratively means the breath of Jehovah. And, to add to this imaginative picture, we find in the New Covenant (which anyone who believes the Bible should know), brimstone is linked with purification. And so the Greek defines brimstone as theion, and lo and behold theion is rooted in Theos. So the Lake of Fire is the Lake of Theos radiating with His breath and Presence. Escape the Lake? Perhaps we would like to escape our God who is a consuming fire?
Brimstone=
Gophriyth= The breath of Jehovah
qei'on/ theion = Divine incense with the power to purify
Theion/ qei'on rooted in qei'o/Theios
Theios=
Used by the Greeks in reference to the only true God.
Theios rooted in qeov/ Theos
Theos= The Supreme Deity from which we get Theology.
The Lake Of Fire= The Lake of Theos
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