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Thus I will stick to the text....
God told Adam and Eve to be fruitfull.
So who's guessing at anything? You're assuming they had sex before they were cast out of Eden. I'm assuming otherwise. God gave them a commandment and they obeyed it.
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In genesis I just dont see that type of teaching at all.
Okay. I just think you're ignoring some very obvious clues. Besides, there are some very obvious problems with the account of the creation in Genesis. If you are a Bible literalist, I guess you just close your eyes when you come to those passages.
The commandment was to be fruitfull.
They were told this before the fall
They were told this before they knew they were nude.
God told the birds and fish the same...
The birds and fish did not know they were nude
So it would seem that knowing you are nude, and feeling shame or knowing good and evil are not important to being fruitfull....
The commandment was to be fruitfull.
They were told this before the fall
They were told this before they knew they were nude.
Yes, they knew they'd been commanded to be fruitful. They just didn't know how to go about it.
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God told the birds and fish the same...
The birds and fish did not know they were nude
So it would seem that knowing you are nude, and feeling shame or knowing good and evil are not important to being fruitfull....
I don't think you can compare the two. Well, I guess you can because you did. I just don't think your comparison is a particularly good one. Animals are not able to reason. Adam and Eve were.
Yes, they knew they'd been commanded to be fruitful. They just didn't know how to go about it.
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Says who?
What verse is that in?
or did you just make that up?
Because what i see is God telling, no BLESSING life on the earth and telling the life to be fruitfull.
There is not a word about adam not knowing where to put "tab A" in.
God told the animals to be fruitfull, and he did not need to have a book to hand to the birds and bees that showed them how...
The text is clear.
God told human and animals to be fruitfull while both animals and humans were innocent of sin.
There is not even a little small hint that humans as well as animals had trouble getting started with the sex stuff...
Anyone who tells you, "They never had sex untill later" is making that idea up
Why dont we leave me out of this, and just allow the Bible to speak for itself?
LOL! Leave you out of it? I'm sorry, Alan, but we're debating the same scriptures. You're interpreting it one way; I'm interpreting it differently. If the Bible came right out and said, "Adam and Eve had sex before they were cast out of the Garden," or "Adam and Eve did not have sex before they were cast out of the Garden," we wouldn't even be discussing this. The fact that the Bible doesn't make either one of these assertions means that it has to be about our interpretations. So if we're going to leave you out of this, we can leave me out of it, too. Both of us can just sit and read our Bibles and be confident that we're right and the other one is wrong. Is that what you want to do?
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There is not even a hint that Adam and Eve did not have sex before the fall.
Actually, there are two hints, but you've chosen to ignore both of them. (1) The first mention of their having had sex was after they were cast out. (2) They didn't recognize that they were naked, which is something two people having sex generally do.
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There is the clear Commandment they were given to have sex.
I agree. They were given this commandment.
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I believe This alone is enough to support my view
No it's not because I believe they were given the commandment, too, and I don't agree with your view. You haven't given me one single solitary thing to go on except to say, "Well this is what I believe. So there!" That's not a very effective way to debate, you know.
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I find no reason to think they did not have tons of sex right off the bat...
I'm sure you don't. It appears to me that you find no reason to think period.
when you find an issue that simply has very little bible text on the topic, then you have to be carefull with thinking that a lack of support for an idea is the same as support for an idea. EXAMPLE: There is not a line in the bible that says Jesus drove a 1996 FORD 4x4 truck.
Now I guess you could say that there is no verse in the bible telling us Jesus did not drive such a truck...and I guess you could say that unless someone shows you a clear verse listing the 1996 FORD truck as something Jesus "never" drove , that you will keep believeing that he did.
But I have to say that the bigger the new claim about the bible the bigger the amount of proof you need to support and prove it.
The bible is clear that God told both the animals and humans to "be fruitfull" We both believe the natural result of this command would be to have sex.
Sex would be the natural result of keeping the Commandment to be fruitfull.
Therefore the un-natural result would be to not have sex because that would have gone against the Commandment, and would have been a sin...(a sin that takes place before the original sin by the way)
So, to make such a big claim that Adam and Eve were sinning before they ate and learned of good and evil, you need big proof
There is not even a hint that Adam and Eve did not have sex before the fall.
I find no reason to think they did not have tons of sex right off the bat...
Why weren`t there tons of children born in the garden?
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There is some non-biblical evidence that Adam and Eve were bathed in light before the fall. When we consider that Moses' face glowed after spending time with God on Sinai, it's not too far a stretch of the imagination to think that Adam and Eve would have experienced the same glow after walking with God in the garden.
The supposition is that the light dimmed or was completely extinguished after they ate the forbidden fruit. They tried to hide the change of appearance by covering themselves with leaves.
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Anything else is pure supposition because the text simply doesn't say why. The only thing we know for sure is that they knew they were naked and covered themselves.
There is some non-biblical evidence that Adam and Eve were bathed in light before the fall. .
I had to read that sentence a few times to catch your drift.
Never heard anyone bring up that issue before.
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