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Old 05-24-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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In the bible it says that when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that they noticed they were naked and covered themselves. Okay, let's go back-- before they ate the tree, all they knew was good. So why did they cover themselves? What is it about being naked and knowing evil have to do with why they covered themselves?
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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In the bible it says that when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that they noticed they were naked and covered themselves. Okay, let's go back-- before they ate the tree, all they knew was good. So why did they cover themselves? What is it about being naked and knowing evil have to do with why they covered themselves?
I believe that the fact that they were unaware that they were naked is symbolic of the fact that, although they had all the right "equipment" so to speak, they were unable to either die or procreate until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It wasn't that intimate relations between them would have been wrong before they ate the fruit, because they wouldn't have been. It's just that they didn't know they were naked. In other words, they were in a state of sexual innocence, much like two little children. They had no sexual awareness or desire until after they ate the fruit. There is no mention of them having sexual relations until after they were expelled from the Garden. Only then are we told that "Adam knew his wife."

The Fall was an essential part of God's Plan of Salvation. Adam and Eve had to be able to understand the difference between good and evil until they could begin to choose between these two opposites and before they could be fully mortal. That's why God allowed Satan to tempt them in the first place and why, before they were even born, Jesus was chosen to be the Savior of mankind. The Fall of Adam was not exactly an unexpected glitch in God's plan, as most people believe.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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I also believe that it had to do with the realization that once they had disobeyed God, they were lacking and they tried to fix what they had done. But only God had the power to really cover them, to "fix it", and make them whole. God bless.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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The covered up the naughty bits for the same reason they hid when they heard God walking in the garden.
They felt shame, embarassment,
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:33 PM
 
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The covered up the naughty bits for the same reason they hid when they heard God walking in the garden.
They felt shame, embarassment,
But the question was, why didn't they feel that shame before I ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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It was their conscience that was naked , hence the heart of Gods love for mankind began to be demonstrated in the shed blood of an animal for their forgiveness .
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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I believe that the fact that they were unaware that they were naked is symbolic of the fact that, although they had all the right "equipment" so to speak, they were unable to either die or procreate until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It wasn't that intimate relations between them would have been wrong before they ate the fruit, because they wouldn't have been. It's just that they didn't know they were naked. In other words, they were in a state of sexual innocence, much like two little children. They had no sexual awareness or desire until after they ate the fruit. There is no mention of them having sexual relations until after they were expelled from the Garden. Only then are we told that "Adam knew his wife."

The Fall was an essential part of God's Plan of Salvation. Adam and Eve had to be able to understand the difference between good and evil until they could begin to choose between these two opposites and before they could be fully mortal. That's why God allowed Satan to tempt them in the first place and why, before they were even born, Jesus was chosen to be the Savior of mankind. The Fall of Adam was not exactly an unexpected glitch in God's plan, as most people believe.
You said, "Only then are we told that Adam knew his wife," but before they ate the fruit, right after God created woman, in Genesis 2:25 it says, " And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."


1. So they didn't have any sexual desire ONLY until they knew evil. Does this in a way suggest that it's evil? If not, then why didn't they have sexual desire before eating the fruit-- when all they knew was good?

2. What do you mean God's plan? God wanted them to eat the fruit the whole time? That was his plan?

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Old 06-07-2009, 10:53 PM
 
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The problem is that we are putting our modern spin on the story. First, the word means naked or rudely dressed. A commoner wanting to appear before the king had to acquire courtly clothes. Jesus tells us that to appear before God we have to be dressed in pure clothes. This was a very common theme in ancient times. Even the Sumerians laughed at the crudely dressed desert dwelling Semites. Interesting was what dress is needed. Adam and Eve chose vegetable matter, which makes me think of Frazier's The Golden Bough. People dressed up in vegetable matter as part of the process to increase the land's fertility. This could fit because God rejects the vegetable clothes and gives them animal skins instead and then curses them with painful childbirth and painful farming. Adam and Eve eating fruit, talking to a snake and wearing fig leaves does not seem like a great sin. Adam and Eve rejecting worship of God and worshipping another God is a great issue according to the rest of scripture. The sex issue does not fit into the rest of the story as does the issues I brought up. Once again, don't force modern ideas into the story.
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:09 PM
 
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They were innocent in a way we cannot understand. When they ate the fruit of the tree - their eyes were opened. They saw good, they saw evil, right and wrong. The sweet innocence was lost. They knew they were naked - and because they had opened the pandoras box of sin, they saw lust connected with sin, their nakedness made them feel things they hadn't before and in ways they hadn't - so they felt ashamed and tried to cover themselves...because they were no longer like little babes in the wood, but aware of the actual world they had landed in. A world of good and evil - they had opened the door and walked in and they knew it.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:15 AM
 
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The problem is that we are putting our modern spin on the story. First, the word means naked or rudely dressed. A commoner wanting to appear before the king had to acquire courtly clothes. Jesus tells us that to appear before God we have to be dressed in pure clothes. This was a very common theme in ancient times. Even the Sumerians laughed at the crudely dressed desert dwelling Semites. Interesting was what dress is needed. Adam and Eve chose vegetable matter, which makes me think of Frazier's The Golden Bough. People dressed up in vegetable matter as part of the process to increase the land's fertility. This could fit because God rejects the vegetable clothes and gives them animal skins instead and then curses them with painful childbirth and painful farming. Adam and Eve eating fruit, talking to a snake and wearing fig leaves does not seem like a great sin. Adam and Eve rejecting worship of God and worshipping another God is a great issue according to the rest of scripture. The sex issue does not fit into the rest of the story as does the issues I brought up. Once again, don't force modern ideas into the story.

As a matter of fact the most ancient Hebrew mystery traditions teach that sex had everything to do with it. The Kabbalah and Ma áseh Merkabah Beri****(The mysteries of the divine throne chariot vision of Ezekiel and of the beginning; or genesis) tradition of pre-Christian Jewish mysticism from whence it derived. The traditions hold that indeed the serpent represents the Amalek and his bride Lilith(from the Babylonian lilitu, the harpy seducers) the dragon which is his power of generation. Amalek the great king of the giants for whom the Amalekites were so named. Amalek is incarnated by Azrael the angel of death. Different midrashic myths depict the scenerio differently, but it all demonstrates that the first "sin"was certainly sexual in nature and is borne out by the text. The traditions tell us that in order to sully the sanctity of the union between God and his creation, the serpent had to sully the sanctity between the woman and the man.

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