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How about the heretico de carborundum which enforced burning heretics at the stake? It was passed in 1401, later than the rest of Europe, and lasted for about 200 years. To know "The Ten Commandments," the "Our Father," or "Ave Maria" in English, or to possess some portion of Scripture in English, any of this was sufficient proof of heresy. They would put the rolled up Scripture manuscript under the chin and light it along with the rest of the wood surrounding the "heretic."
Oh yeah??
Every been through FAQ of windows?
If you ever find, "this is a weak operating system, far weaker than unix", I'll give you a million dollars
I do hope this link does not express your views, juj. Not only was it insufferably obnoxious, it'd also have you believe that the Catholic church is perfect in every way and has never been responsible for any evil ever. The crusades, the inquisition, Galileo's controversy... It can all be explained away. It's pretty big on historical denialism.
Some choice quotes:
Quote:
The right place to go for information about Catholic belief--in fact the only place to go for complete and authoritative information--is the Catholic Church herself. As any detective will tell you, no investigation is quite so complete as an on-the-spot investigation.
[Sure. They are the people who will always give you absolutely unbiased information. As evidenced by the rest of this FAQ ]
Why do Catholics believe that the universe and all life in it was created by, and is governed by, an all-powerful Spirit Being called God? What actual proof is there of God's existence and omnipotence?
Catholics believe that the universe is the creation, and the exclusive dominion, of an infinitely powerful Spirit Being, called God, because the evidence which points to that conclusion is so overwhelming that there is no room left for even the slightest vestige of doubt.
[Follows a list of the poorest apologetics arguments I've ever seen, ranging from poorly-worded cosmological arguments to "this miracle that happened 500 years ago and was witnessed by a starving child is UNDENIABLE PROOF!]
For as hunger for food proclaims the existence of food, man's intuitive hunger for God proclaims the Reality, the Omnipotence and the Justice of God. Catholic belief in God, therefore, is purely and simply an expression of intellectual sanity.
[No comment.]
[About the trinity:]
Three divine Persons in one Godhead may be incomprehensible to the human mind, but that is to be expected. How can man fully comprehend God's infinite make-up when he cannot fully comprehend his own finite make-up? We have to take God's word for it. Also, we can satisfy ourselves as to the feasibility of God's triune make-up by considering various other triune realities. The triangle, for example, is one distinct form with three distinct and equal sides. And the clover leaf is one leaf with three distinct and equal petals. There are many physical trinities on earth, therefore a Spiritual Trinity, who is God in Heaven, is not against human reason--it is simply above human reason.
[Oh, that explains... nothing. Clover leaves makes the trinity believable? WTF?]
[We never exploited people's fear of hell to take money from them, oh no...]
The so-called selling of indulgences positively did not involve any ``selling''--it involved the granting of the spiritual favor of an indulgence (which is the remission of the debt of temporal punishment for already-forgiven sins) in return for the giving of alms to the Church for the building of Christendom's greatest house of prayer--St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. One must understand with regard to indulgences that there are always two acts to be fulfilled by the one gaining the in-dulgence: 1) doing the deed (e.g., alms-giving) and 2) saying of some prescribed prayers with proper spiritual dispositions. In the case in point, the first act for gaining the indulgence was ``giving alms.'' If the almsgiver thereafter failed to say the requisite prayers, he would not receive the indulgence because he had failed to fulfill both required acts. The indulgences therefore were not ``sold''; the very giving of money was itself the first of two requisite acts for gaining the indulgence in question.
Why do Catholics believe the Pope is infallible in his teachings when he is a human being, with a finite human intellect, like the rest of us? What is the scriptural basis for this belief? The doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean the Pope is always right in all his personal teachings. Catholics are quite aware that, despite his great learning, the Pope is very much a human being and therefore liable to commit human error. On some subjects, like sports and manufacturing, his judgment is liable to be very faulty. The doctrine simply means that the Pope is divinely protected from error when, acting in his official capacity as chief shepherd of the Catholic fold, he promulgates a decision which is binding on the conscience of all Catholics throughout the world. In other words, his infallibility is limited to his specialty--the Faith of Jesus Christ.
[That explains... nothing. Glad to know that the Pope is not infallible on anything, you know, part of the physical world. So it's impossible to actually check that he's infallible.]
Why are Catholic lay people usually given Holy Communion only under the one form of bread? By not giving the consecrated bread and wine, isn't the Catholic Church depriving its people of the full benefit of Holy Communion? In the Catholic Church the congregation is usually given Holy Communion only under the one form of bread because, if the consecrated ``bread'' is accidently dropped on the floor in the serving, it can be wholly retrieved--particles of the Body of Christ would not be left on the floor to be desecrated. If Holy Communion were given under both forms, and if the consecrated ``wine'' were accidentally spilled on the floor in the serving, it would be a virtual impossibility to retrieve all of the precious Substance--some part of the Blood of Christ would, through smearing and absorption, ineviably be desecrated.
[Yeah, 'cause when bread falls to the floor and is picked up, not one particle stays on the floor.]
Oh, and the site also contains criticism of the theory of evolution, claiming that "not only is Darwinism not proved, almost every aspect of it is currently subject to a heated debate among geneticists and paleontologists", which is an outright lie. So either the website wasn't updated recently or they are actually disagreeing with their infallible pope .
I do hope this link does not express your views, juj. Not only was it insufferably obnoxious, it'd also have you believe that the Catholic church is perfect in every way and has never been responsible for any evil ever. The crusades, the inquisition, Galileo's controversy... It can all be explained away. It's pretty big on historical denialism.
Some choice quotes:
Oh, and the site also contains criticism of the theory of evolution, claiming that "not only is Darwinism not proved, almost every aspect of it is currently subject to a heated debate among geneticists and paleontologists", which is an outright lie. So either the website wasn't updated recently or they are actually disagreeing with their infallible pope .
With all due respect, Roxo, you're atheist, remember?
It's got nothing on child abuse, juj, Ted won't read it
That's suppose to be funny, child abuse is nothing to joke about.
Seems like you have the same attitude as the hierarchy, in one case i believe it was a bishop when asked why he did not report it to the police he responded that he didn't think it was that big of a deal, much the same as the rest of the hierarchy.
(The material in parenthesis is meant to justify my acusation of the Romish religious system while I seek answers to which the OP referred.)
Something I wonder at, that there should not be vigorous public denunciation of the past! How about the heretico de carborundum which enforced burning heretics at the stake? It was passed in 1401, later than the rest of Europe, and lasted for about 200 years. To know "The Ten Commandments," the "Our Father," or "Ave Maria" in English, or to possess some portion of Scripture in English, any of this was sufficient proof of heresy. They would put the rolled up Scripture manuscript under the chin and light it along with the rest of the wood surrounding the "heretic."
(They were only being like their God. They said they were consigning to temporal flames in hopes of saving souls from eternal flames. That those freed from this system would slavishly copy its bureachracy and its doctrines when the Bible reveals a God for whom this torture is unthinkable and abominable reveals the depravity of the carnal mind. "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the 'valley of the son of Hinnom' ['GeHenna' of N.T.], to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." [Jer 32:35, AV; cp., 7:32] Is there no mercy in your heart motivating to see what is true?)
Does your link or something else you know of officially deal with this loathsome travesty attributed to the God whose darling attribute is mercy? When Moses asked, "I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." (Ex 33 God hid him in the clift of the rock, covering him with His hand and caused him to see the lower, lesser, "back parts" of God as He passed by. This wonderful God there proclaimed His name.
Exodus 34:5-8 (AV)...
"And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped."
(Lest you justify temporal tortures by saying His dealing with sin not repented of by not clearing the guilty means continuous infinite retribution I would remind you what His law states about payment for sin. If I steal an apple God does not require infinite never ending repayment of apples. That is not justice. God states clearly what just recompense is in His written word. To overthrow it and replace it with infinitudes is error very dark indeed. To dismiss the description of Divine values with a misunderstood word, "legalism," may not be as dark but may prove just as deadly. God provided a knowledge of right judgments for thieves. They're to repay double (Ex 22:4) unless what was stolen can't be returned. Then it's a fourfold repayment (Ex 22:1.) If a man's means to make a living, the tools of his trade are stolen, like an ox, it is a fivefold restitution. That is God's sanctions for thieves. In Numbers 5:6-8 for any sin, it is the principle plus a 5th that is payed to the one wronged besides the ram of atonement. What is seemingly never considered is, if you commit a sin and pay for it, then that's the end of it. The popular teaching is any sin is unrepayable and infinite.)
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God hid him in the clift of the rock, covering him with His hand and caused him to see the lower, lesser, "back parts" of God as He passed by. This wonderful God there proclaimed His name.
