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Base on scripture misinterpreation or not? How could loving people, more loving than you hold on or want to hold on to such a doctrine?
the preacher I'm referring to believed and taught ET. He did not make it up out of the blue.
a) I presume he'd been taught it
b) He reads about it in his bible
c) He appeared to have reservations about it, difficutly expressing how to reconcile it with the love of God etc.
He ended that subject with something to the effect of "I can't fully explain it... but that's what is written, so I believe it"
So he was not willing to subjucate he perception of what the Word teaches to his sense of justice and love.
He seemed to be a loving guy. Could well be more loving than me.
Thank you! Now to get to the rest of this topic. Could a loving people, devoted to God, preaching His word, teaching and showing His love even being persecuted for Him come up with an eternal hell doctrine on their own? Is it possible? please explain
the preacher I'm referring to believed and taught ET. He did not make it up out of the blue.
a) I presume he'd been taught it
b) He reads about it in his bible
c) He appeared to have reservations about it, difficutly expressing how to reconcile it with the love of God etc.
He ended that subject with something to the effect of "I can't fully explain it... but that's what is written, so I believe it"
So he was not willing to subjucate he perception of what the Word teaches to his sense of justice and love.
He seemed to be a loving guy. Could well be more loving than me.
If that is all he said about ET, I am sorry he was not a very good teacher. If you admit that there are those more loving than you that can accept, even embrace an eternal hell, does that makes sense? is interpretation really a factor when the love of the Holy Spirit is inside a person? There is a disconnect somewhere? Is Pcamps right in his assessment?
If that is all he said about ET, I am sorry he was not a very good teacher.
I didn't say that's all he said. The subject of the sermon was not ET per se. He was progressing through Matthew and came to Matthew 25:41.
It was like 5 years ago. I don't remember much of the sermon. What stuck in my mind was that he believed in ET but his difficulty reconciling it with love and justice showed through in his words and demeanor.
Exactly how does that make him a bad teacher to you (who were not even there!)
I didn't say that's all he said. The subject of the sermon was not ET per se. He was progressing through Matthew and came to Matthew 25:41.
It was like 5 years ago. I don't remember much of the sermon. What stuck in my mind was that he believed in ET but his difficulty reconciling it with love and justice showed through in his words and demeanor.
Exactly how does that make him a bad teacher to you (who were not even there!)
because that he actually tried to reconcile God's love and justice based on our own-(at least that is what it sounds like, forgive me if I am wrong). It is not for us to reconcile furthermore it is impossible because there is no one I know of would want to see their loved ones tormented for eternity. There is no way loving Christians with the Holy Spirit inside of them could generate and teach such a horrifying doctrine. It defies logic. Either the Holy Spirit is inside them or not. There are many things we don't see in scripture but through the Holy Spirit we know is wrong.
Thank you! Now to get to the rest of this topic. Could a loving people, devoted to God, preaching His word, teaching and showing His love even being persecuted for Him come up with an eternal hell doctrine on their own? Is it possible? please explain
Yes if He is reading from the mistranslated versions of the word.
The eternal hell teaching as we know it today came out of the Catholic church to keep the people in fear.
What i would like to know from you Fundy is why you keep referring to truth as if it's a doctrine , when Jesus clearly said He was the truth ?.
Jesus said you shall know the truth(Jesus is the truth) and the truth(Jesus is the truth) shall set you free.
Jesus also said He was the the Life (not a doctrine) and He came that we might have it more abundantly.
This is life that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ.
You need to have a revelation that Jesus is the I AM , it's the I AM you need to know not the scripture.
If you don't know the I AM all you have is a dead letter
because that he actually tried to reconcile God's love and justice based on our own-(at least that is what it sounds like, forgive me if I am wrong). It is not for us to reconcile furthermore it is impossible because there is no one I know of would want to see their loved ones tormented for eternity. There is no way loving Christians with the Holy Spirit inside of them could generate and teach such a horrifying doctrine. It defies logic. Either the Holy Spirit is inside them or not. There are many things we don't see in scripture but through the Holy Spirit we know is wrong.
Well how come you believe you are part of the saved remnant . What does that say about you ? . What does it say about what you believe? , what does does it say about what you believe about your fellow man ?
It certainly tells me you deserve it and those who don't should be sent to eternal hell.
You mentioned earlier today that you had some quest for truth and that some how qualified you
Fundy the Truth is a person not a doctrine . Forgive me for being so blunt but all i can go by is what you telling us , for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks , i truelly believe all you have is a knowledge of scripture and no revelation.
There is no way loving Christians with the Holy Spirit inside of them could generate and teach such a horrifying doctrine. It defies logic.
A horrifying doctrine. When I did believe in eternal hell because of what I had always been taught and because of what I understood in the mistranslated passages of scripture, I had not really taken the time to think about what it really meant until God opened my eyes with His Holy Spirit. There was a point in my life when I understood that the Father would one day release all who were "in hell". The Father is love and He is good, just, righteous, merciful, not a tyrant or evil tormentor. People are lost, blinded, held captive, rebel for many reasons and He, He knows all hearts and why they are the way they are. He brought all into existence and He knows all things. He is the Father of us all, even of those who do not yet know Him. We are all His offspring and so I came to realize after much prayer and with continued studying that eternal hell does not reflect agape and it is not correct. God's Holy Spirit within me confirmed that the teaching was error. So there is no way that I would continue to teach it as I once had or embrace it. God bless.
A horrifying doctrine. When I did believe in eternal hell because of what I had always been taught and because of what I understood in the mistranslated passages of scripture, I had not really taken the time to think about what it really meant until God opened my eyes with His Holy Spirit. There was a point in my life when I understood that the Father would one day release all who were "in hell". The Father is love and He is good, just, righteous, merciful, not a tyrant or evil tormentor. People are lost, blinded, held captive, rebel for many reasons and He, He knows all hearts and why they are the way they are. He brought all into existence and He knows all things. He is the Father of us all, even of those who do not yet know Him. We are all His offspring and so I came to realize after much prayer and with continued studying that eternal hell does not reflect agape and it is not correct. God's Holy Spirit within me confirmed that the teaching was error. So there is no way that I would continue to teach it as I once had or embrace it. God bless.
This post as the Spirit of God all over it .
Thank you Shana for being a voice of God's heart towards mankind
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