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Simple, all means all things, everything that happens on this planet, from famines, plane crash, violence against children, storms, accidents etc...etc...is God's will.
Simple, all means all things, everything that happens on this planet, from famines, plane crash, violence against children, storms, accidents etc...etc...is God's will.
So why deny it when Jesus said He would draw all men unto Him , why deny all the other scriptures that use the word All when it come to the salvation of all mankind.
You are comparing God's understanding to our own-fallen, corrupt, warped as it is, that is where you universalist miserably fall off the track. You can't do that, we can only go from scripture regardless if we understand or like certain doctrines. Universalist can not believe in a God that creates an eternal hell so they play the interpretation game (You can make scripture to mean almost anything) Universalist have a presupposition of no eternal hell therefore you translate scripture with that mindset. I and many fundamentalist do not have a presupposition other than what scripture says, that God is good and everything is for our good and His glory.
It IS beyond our understanding. God says His ways are higher, His thoughts are higher, well the doctrine of hell is one of those. Some of your questions we do not have answers to and to assume what they are is filling in the blanks thus playing God and that is very dangerous to get in the mind of God without scripture.
This is the old faithful of all fundamentalists. It says it right there in my King James(or many of the other translations which fell in line thereafter). Forget about the history of the whole matter its irrelevant!
Thanks, but i prefer to think for myself and will trust that God has an aswer as it is written ...
Proverbs 25:2
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
"Seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will be opened."
Fundamentalists believe there are unanswerable questions and that people should blindly trust traditional doctrine as it stands in the present form. We see in the remarks made by those in this thread who believe in eternal torture that we should not question what we are taught, and that we should accept their teachings as truth even if it doesn't bode well with our own conscience. This is false religion in its purist form.
"Its not your job to think, if we wanted you opinion we would give you one. Don't question authority."
This is not what the bible teaches. The bible teaches that God will receive our prayers for wisdom and understand concerning his word and his will and that we should search it out and to seek the truth for ourselves in the light of his spirit.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 06-07-2009 at 07:28 PM..
The doctrine of eternal torture is vanity. There is no reason for it and saying its for Gods glory even if that doesn't make sense doesn't cut it. God does nothing in vain, and i can think of nothing more vain that the "ceaseless suffering of the damned." It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
Originally Posted by Fundamentalist Simple, all means all things, everything that happens on this planet, from famines, plane crash, violence against children, storms, accidents etc...etc...is God's will.
So why deny it when Jesus said He would draw all men unto Him , why deny all the other scriptures that use the word All when it come to the salvation of all mankind.
What would heaven be without an alternative hell? If not choosing God has no dire consequences why choose Him?
That being said, the bible tells us that we are all heading to hell unless we choose not to. To that end, God can save us. His desire is that none should perish just as my desire is that none of my kids gets into trouble. Knowing they are headed that direction doesn't mean I want it to happen or that I planned it to happen.
So why deny it when Jesus said He would draw all men unto Him , why deny all the other scriptures that use the word All when it come to the salvation of all mankind.
If i make my bed in Hell you are there.
Thank you! I've used this same example in arguments before.
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