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Old 12-26-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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What is universalism?
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Everybody receives eternal life in God's Kingdom no matter how deep or how covered in their sins they were when they died.

When you get there, you'll even see satan there just sittin' on a cloud free and clear.
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"...you have no clue what they actually believe. . . but this life is not the end of the trail . . . it is only the beginning.
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Christian Universalism...is the belief that all will be restored to God one day through Jesus Christ...the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ...God's purpose is to restore all to Himself...all will return to God...Jesus will subject all to Himself and...God will become all in all...all will be saved in the end...bringing all into the realization that they are in need of a Savior...The power of sin and satan, and neither the will of man, can thwart the purpose of God to restore all to Himself...
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"...It is the doctrine that teaches that everyone will eventually be saved through Jesus Christ...that everyone will eventually possess the Spirit of God....anything less than universal salvation amounts to a failure on the part of God to bring about the work that He began when He gave each of us the breath of life...I would love to educate you further..."
There ya go.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: NC
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Verna, it would be good for you to post all that I posted, instead of picking and choosing some lines. What if someone did that to your posts?

And don't forget the scriptures. God bless.

"Christian Universalism, sometimes called Restoration is the belief that all will be restored to God one day through Jesus Christ.. All believers who have this belief do not believe everything exactly, but this is the common thread. As one who believes in the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ, I believe that the scriptures reveal that God's purpose is to restore all to Himself. All are not saved in this age or in the age to come, but eventually all will return to God. I believe that the scriptures teach that Jesus will subject all to Himself and that the purpose is so that God will become all in all. Jesus is undoing what the first Adam did when he brought sin and death into the creation by his disobedience. God sent Jesus to be the Savior of the world and I believe that all will be saved in the end. The judgments of God are a part of the process in bringing all into the realization that they are in need of a Savior. The power of sin and satan, and neither the will of man, can thwart the purpose of God to restore all to Himself. This in not a new age belief but has existed since the early days of the church and down through time, and was held by many referred to as the early church fathers. God bless.

Colossians 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.*



Hebrews 2
"8 Thou didst put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he subjected all things unto him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to him."

Psalm 68:

18 You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there. (NAS)


Ephesians 1: 1
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.


Romans 8:
16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope*
21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

*hope=elpis=expectation

God bless.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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Verna, it would be good for you to post all that I posted, instead of picking and choosing some lines. And don't forget the scriptures. God bless...all will be restored to God one day through Jesus Christ...the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ...God's purpose is to restore all to Himself...eventually all will return to God...Jesus will subject all to Himself...God will become all in all...all will be saved in the end...The power of sin and satan, and neither the will of man, can thwart the purpose of God to restore all to Himself...
I can quote any portion of your post that I choose.

...maybe too revealing ?
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:00 PM
 
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No not too revealing, maybe dishonest on your part, to leave out some things that I posted. Why would anything be too revealing when I posted all of it? God bless you, Verna
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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No not too revealing, maybe dishonest on your part, to leave out some things that I posted. Why would anything be too revealing when I posted all of it? God bless you, Verna
Nothing dishonest about it at all...everyone in the entire world can read everyone of your entire posts and discern for themselves what you falsely teach. God bless you too, Shana
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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Then let everyone read what I posted and discern for themselves what they may, instead of picking and choosing lines to post in a dishonest way, Verna. I'd appreciate it. God bless you.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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Then let everyone read what I posted and discern for themselves what they may, instead of picking and choosing lines to post in a dishonest way, Verna. I'd appreciate it. God bless you.
Nope , not gonna do that Shana. I'll quote what I choose to quote. God bless you.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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The post again in its entirety

"Christian Universalism, sometimes called Restoration is the belief that all will be restored to God one day through Jesus Christ.. All believers who have this belief do not believe everything exactly, but this is the common thread. As one who believes in the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ, I believe that the scriptures reveal that God's purpose is to restore all to Himself. All are not saved in this age or in the age to come, but eventually all will return to God. I believe that the scriptures teach that Jesus will subject all to Himself and that the purpose is so that God will become all in all. Jesus is undoing what the first Adam did when he brought sin and death into the creation by his disobedience. God sent Jesus to be the Savior of the world and I believe that all will be saved in the end. The judgments of God are a part of the process in bringing all into the realization that they are in need of a Savior. The power of sin and satan, and neither the will of man, can thwart the purpose of God to restore all to Himself. This in not a new age belief but has existed since the early days of the church and down through time, and was held by many referred to as the early church fathers. God bless.

Colossians 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.*



Hebrews 2
"8 Thou didst put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he subjected all things unto him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to him."

Psalm 68:

18 You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there. (NAS)


Ephesians 1: 1
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.


Romans 8:
16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope*
21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

*hope=elpis=expectation

God bless.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:12 PM
 
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Verna, if you choose to be dishonest in your posting, go ahead, no problem. Everyone can see it. God bless you.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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The post again in its entirety

"Christian Universalism is the belief that all will be restored to God one day through Jesus Christ...the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ...God's purpose is to restore all to Himself...eventually all will return to God...Jesus will subject all to Himself...God will become all in all...all will be saved in the end...The power of sin and satan, and neither the will of man, can thwart the purpose of God to restore all to Himself...
I cannot, in good conscience, allow you to misrepresent the word of God...misinterpreting and distorting the word of God to fit your beliefs. That's why I do not quote the passages you misuse...it is a lie. God bless you.
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