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Old 12-27-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Amen.... Verna ! All can see the heresy.....
Like always false teacher's turn it into personal accusations, falsely accusing other's when the false teaching is exposed !! It is their own condenmation, condemning them... it is the trait of the occult !!
I've been accused by the same individuals in being dishonest also... no biggie !! That is satan's plan B when plan A doesn't work....

The Lord Jesus bless you, sweet precious friend !!
Greetings Curly Munchkin

Yes...the heresy is right there in your face...isn't it ironic when you quote their own words and leave out the other stuff that doesn't matter anyway...and you get right down to the nitty gritty of it...they don't like it...I think we've found a sore spot...hummmmmm...very telling.

Why do they not like reading the truth of what they believe ? I don't get it.

God Bless dear friend,
Verna.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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....The fact is, is UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation, and that is a lie from the pit of hell...and I want everyone to know it !

The fact is, is annihilation...a burning up of the chaff to ashes never to be anything anymore is the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We're on topic. We've been on topic. It is what it is. God bless Shana
Universal Salvation is the teaching of the scriptures. Verna, if annihilationism is true then the following must be true:

1.) God who gives the breath of life and knows everything beforehand must have predestined some to be annihilated.

2.) Moses wouldn't have desired to be blotted out of the book of life if he already knew God would annihilate sinners.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: NC
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you would like it to be considered as such so that everything can be deleted that has been discussed thus far...I figured last night that that was what you were aiming to do..
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The fact is, is UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation,
Amen. God bless.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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...and I answered all of you and stated a fact...


"There ya go"...

...meaning what I said in the first place is exactly what UR believes...and you cannot change that...no matter how you slice it.


The fact is, is UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation, and that is a lie from the pit of hell...and I want everyone to know it !

The fact is, is annihilation...a burning up of the chaff to ashes never to be anything anymore is the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We're on topic. We've been on topic. It is what it is. God bless Shana
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you would like it to be considered as such so that everything can be deleted that has been discussed thus far...I figured last night that that was what you were aiming to do..
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Question ? Didn't you just state this a couple of posts up : "Hopefully this thread can get back on topic. God bless."

...and now all you have is a question mark as if you have no idea what I am talking about ? ...this thread hasn't been off topic at all.


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The fact is, is UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation,
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Amen. God bless.
...and that is a lie from the pit of hell.

God bless.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation,
Amen. God bless.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Amen. God bless.
And that is as lie from the pit of hell. God bless.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:37 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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UR's believe that ALL will EVENTUALLY receive eternal salvation,


And that is as lie from the pit of hell. God bless.
You are right Verna, what the UR's believe is NOT what God said.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You are right Verna, what the UR's believe is NOT what God said.
Thank you for your support ILNC. Amen. What they believe is totally contrary to the tuth of God's holy Word.

Blessing to you dear friend,
Verna.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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Just a quick thought on the OP. If I gave someone a check for a million dollars, and they chose not to cash it, we're they still given a million dollars? Christ died so that all could be saved, giving a "million dollar check" of salvation to everyone from Adam/Eve to people like Hitler. If you cashed my million dollar check could you then boast that you bought the Ferrari you got or the mansion you purchased, on your own? Sure you could but it would be a lie and you would be a jerk. The thing with salvation is that it is a checked cashed daily so to speak in maintaining a relationship with God. Scripture states that Christ is to return someday soon AND HIS REWARD IS WITH HIM. That reward is eternal life. Those who have long since died, "cashing that check daily" will be resurrected to receive that reward, and those(who believe in Him) who are still alive at His return will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, from having a mortal body to having one that is immortal. Christ made it clear that only those that believe in him will be saved. Believing in Christ is not a single statement someone verbally declares; believing in Christ is the process of living a life to His glory and honor. It is living a life devoted to a daily relationship with Christ above all others. God is love and love requires choice ALWAYS, once we choose to follow Christ, we never loose are ability to choose to stop following Him. If that were the case, then Satan would have no purpose in tempting and tormenting the "saved". Satan often attacks the newly born again much harder because he knows that so long as a person has breath in their lungs and Christ has not yet sealed the righteous, then he still has an opportunity to ensnare and deceive those who have accepted Christ. Granted, for those who have let Christ in and maintain that walk with Him, Satan's goal is impossible, but that is why the daily devotion is so important, Satan can and will try to wedge himself into the slightest crack in that walk with Christ. Revelation makes it clear that there is a time soon approaching this earth, in which their will only be two classes of people on earth; those with the seal of God and those with the Mark of the Beast. Once that happens, those that are unjust will be unjust still, and those that are just shall be just. There will no longer be anyone on earth whose mind has not been made up regarding the decision to follow God or oppose him, and many who fall in the "oppose Him" group will claim that they are following Him.

Salvation is not a single moment in a person's life, but it is the process that unfolds through out their life. Imagine a soldier on a battlefield in WWII. The soldier is navigating some trenches trying to stay below the bullets flying over head when he is pulled to the ground by his Commander. The Commander then points to the ground and shows the soldier the land mine he was about to step on. The soldiers life was saved at that moment in time, however the soldier was not safe, he was still on the battlefield. Sticking his head up at the wrong moment or taking a wrong wrong turn through the trenches could still end his life. What he needs to do to make it through the battlefield safely is to never take his eyes of his Commander. You see his Commander has successfully conquered the trenches of the battlefield and He is the only one that can guide the soldier to safety. If the soldier takes his eyes off the Commander, he risks finding himself lost in those trenches once again. Some of his buddies actually follow the Commander for a little bit but then think that they've "got it from here" and are never seen again because they choose to stop following the Commander. Of all the soldiers that are lead to safety by the Commander, none are dragged against their will. They all stand there, based on the choice they made to follow, but only because they had someone to follow. Never would you ever hear any of those soldiers who were lead to safety, claim that it was their choice that saved them. They would all humbly understand that while their salvation was a cooperative effort it would not have ever been possible if the Commander had not sacrificed Himself by conquering those trenches on His own, for which He received scars that remain to this day. They choose to follow, and that choice contributed to their salvation, but they emerged from those trenches with a full understanding of who receives 100% of the glory and credit for their salvation.

Oh how I long for Christ's Second Coming, when we will finally be off the battlefield and the war will be over.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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Universal Salvation is the teaching of the scriptures. Verna, if annihilationism is true then the following must be true:

1.) God who gives the breath of life and knows everything beforehand must have predestined some to be annihilated.

2.) Moses wouldn't have desired to be blotted out of the book of life if he already knew God would annihilate sinners.
Knowing the choice someone will make, does not mean making the choice for them. Knowledge of what will happen is not the same as willing whatever happens to happen. People seem to not be able to grasp the notion that God's will on this earth is constantly violated, hence Christ's instruction that we should pray that God's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. If God's will was always done on earth, than that prayer would be superfluous.
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