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Old 06-16-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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Fundy... God gave His Son, before we believed, you know it.


16for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during (YLT)

He gave, (past tense) so that....

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What does scripture say. It is clear, you must believe. How can you come to Christ unless you believe and how can you believe unless the Father draw you. So why aren't others saved?
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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Well, I'm on my way to eat We do need a break Apple juice sounds good too God bless.
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:38 PM
 
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You folks don't care about the starving dude?

5 pounds lost and dropping.

Where's my apple juice?
lol. I got your apple juice
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:39 PM
 
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Okay, before I leave, Fundy, to review, I posted scriptures that show that Jesus died (past tense) for all men. He died before they believed, before any of us believed. Yes, He died for all. We were His enemies. Now, those who believe today, have a relationship with God, are being saved, but eventually all will believe. God bless

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Old 06-16-2009, 04:41 PM
 
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Okay, before I leave, Fundy, to review, I posted scriptures that show that Jesus died (past tense) for all men. He died before they believed, before any of us believed. Now, those who believe have a relationship with God, are being saved, but eventually all will believe. God bless

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No He didn't because millions of people died thousands of years before He was crucified and that doesn't explain that you must believe in Christ, second scripture says nothing that all will believe.
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:42 PM
 
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Okay, I have to respond before I'm out...Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Yes, all will believe if they will confess, profess proclaim Him, Fundy. God bless.
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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Okay, I have to respond before I'm out...Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Yes, all will believe if they will confess, profess proclaim Him, Fundy. God bless.
How can one confess, profess Him before they believe and where is that in scripture?
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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Okay, before I leave, Fundy, to review, I posted scriptures that show that Jesus died (past tense) for all men. He died before they believed, before any of us believed. Yes, He died for all. We were His enemies. Now, those who believe today, have a relationship with God, are being saved, but eventually all will believe. God bless

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I actually agree with this, Jesus did die for all, and we can have a relationship with Him, I even agree all will eventually believe, but for some it will be too late by the time they believe. Hope you had something good to eat Shana.
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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I actually agree with this, Jesus did die for all, and we can have a relationship with Him, I even agree all will eventually believe, but for some it will be too late by the time they believe. Hope you had something good to eat Shana.
I thought I would be debating with the other side as well but only universalist answered the call. Do you think this is heresy?
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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Well lets establish the first thing We know that God loves the world John 3 16 and He is no respecter of persons which Calvinists have to believe to support their doctrine . So from the off you argument as no foundation.

Now lets move onto how many will be saved .

As in Adam all die even so in Christ all shall be made alive . Where is election of a chosen few in this scripture.

Your gospel is another gospel which tells us God never had a plan, He never had a purpose and only can be his true self to those who He supposedly chosen .

Because my Bible tells me God is , that means He is that He is that He is to whosoever and not a certain chosen few.And the whosever are not a chosen few.
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