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Old 06-17-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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He sees it but He does not want to accept it. But it's okay. God's will will be done. God bless.
and why will they not accept it? Could it be that the Father didn't draw them? because how can one go against His own sinful nature and choose God without God drawing them?
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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Fundy, you know that we have shared this before, all are not drawn at the same time. Believers are the first fruits in the harvest. God bless.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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Please expound. I am a literal so I believe in dispensation but what of Ephesians 1?
Paul is speaking to those "who first trusted in Christ" (which we consider ourselves to be, because...) "in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him."

There is precedent throughout Scripture in which God takes a few and multiplies them into many, yea the dead to bring forth life. We're speaking of remnants and first fruits, of God being all in all - but first, let's remember what Paul said to the believers in Corinth: All things are of God - even this age of gross darkness.

It shouldn't deter us from seeing His dominion and purpose, especially if it looks impossible, for He specializes in such things.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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Fundy, you know that we have shared this before, all are not drawn at the same time. Believers are the first fruits in the harvest. God bless.
and what of the people who have died in their sins without repenting and believing? they were not drawn
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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Paul is speaking to those "who first trusted in Christ" (which we consider ourselves to be, because...) "in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him."

There is precedent throughout Scripture in which God takes a few and multiplies them into many, yea the dead to bring forth life. We're speaking of remnants and first fruits, of God being all in all - but first, let's remember what Paul said to the believers in Corinth: All things are of God - even this age of gross darkness.

It shouldn't deter us from seeing His dominion and purpose, especially if it looks impossible, for He specializes in such things.
I agree but that only strengthens the doctrine of election, since they are the only ones who repent and believe
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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They will be drawn, Fundy, future tense. We have shared this with you time and time again. Eventually all will be drawn. Did you even read little elmer's post? God bless you.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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and why will they not accept it? Could it be that the Father didn't draw them? because how can one go against His own sinful nature and choose God without God drawing them?
I was found by them that sought me not Isaiah 61 verse 1.

Oops sorry he must be referring to the elect
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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They will be drawn, Fundy, future tense. We have shared this with you time and time again. Eventually all will be drawn. Did you even read little elmer's post? God bless you.
You have no verse to show someone being drawn in the next life. NONE! so how can you build a doctrine on at best shaky interpretation?
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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I tell you I don't see that, after tribulation there will be people still on this planet who survived and will live under the millennium rule furthermore to build part of a doctrine on Revelations is risky.
Which don't you see?
- That there are people repenting in these verses
- That this takes place in the afterlife
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:20 PM
 
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I was found by them that sought me not Isaiah 61 verse 1.

Oops sorry he must be referring to the elect
You are throwing cliches. You have no clue what the context of that verse is and if it was elect it would say, I was found by HIM that SOUGHT ME.
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