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Old 06-17-2009, 07:54 AM
 
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Why would correction in the afterlife take away the power of atonement when correction in this life would not?
simple because in the after life we are given new bodies, no longer fallen
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Old 06-17-2009, 07:54 AM
 
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I have that verse in my bible as well.
And here I thought you had a loose leaf Bible!

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Let me reword my post. "I see no scripture showing one can repent in the afterlife" and without repentance one can not be saved.
That is why you believe in the ghastly dogma of "limited" atonement.

The facts are these:

1. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth & the underworld, ultimately bows and confesses in worship.

2. The worship (kampto) is in praise, thanksgiving, celebration.

3. The worship is "in" the Name of all names culminating in the Father's satisfaction and glory.
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Old 06-17-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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Are these verses taking place in the afterlife?
  • Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I have those verses as well and see nothing of repentance, don't agree with you.
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Old 06-17-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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And here I thought you had a loose leaf Bible!



That is why you believe in the ghastly dogma of "limited" atonement.

The facts are these:

1. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth & the underworld, ultimately bows and confesses in worship.

2. The worship (kampto) is in praise, thanksgiving, celebration.

3. The worship is "in" the Name of all names culminating in the Father's satisfaction and glory.
You could repeat the same verses till you turn blue; changes nothing. You have showed me nothing where one can REPENT in the afterlife, give me a verse describing the afterlife where the word "REPENT" shows. and I will believe
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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Well I believe in the depravity of man and the scripture repeats it. I do not know how one is saved unless one believes and how can one believe unless the God draws them? why doesn't everyone believe? which leads me to believe the Father does not draw everyone?
I agree, but does God have to draw everyone at the same time? We already see that He does not or all would be drawn at the earliest age.

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Severe from you have been taught but Calvinism can only go from what they see in scripture and not what they want God to be. God does what He wants and it must give Him the glory, if choosing to save some or all gives Him the glory then who am I to question that. God takes no pleasure in punishing the wicked but that doesn't mean He saves everyone. The elect are sinners as well, they have done nothing to be special, they are special because God chose them, He saved those sinners.
Severe I say for one because you must interpret "all people" as "the elect".

I say that for other reasons too. The heart of the law is love and mercy. We are called upon to be perfect as the Father is perfect in this regard. If Calvinism is true then to be like the Father, we should be selective in our love and mercy. Loving to some (if we knew who they were) and hateful to the rest.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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Why doesn't everyone believe? which leads me to believe the Father does not draw everyone?
"He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will."
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:02 AM
 
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I have those verses as well and see nothing of repentance, don't agree with you.
I was going to get to that. But there is no point unless you agree those verses take place in the afterlife. So do you think those verses take place in the afterlife?
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:04 AM
 
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"He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will."
What verse is that? So then everyone believes when I go out on the street right now?
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:04 AM
 
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You could repeat the same verses till you turn blue; changes nothing. You have showed me nothing where one can REPENT in the afterlife, give me a verse describing the afterlife where the word "REPENT" shows. and I will believe
Evidently the magnitude of the scope of unlimited reconciliation evades your horizon!

The facts are these:

1. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth & the underworld, ultimately bows and confesses in worship.

2. The worship (kampto) is in praise, thanksgiving, celebration.

3. The worship is "in" the Name of all names culminating in the Father's satisfaction and glory.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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What verse is that? So then everyone believes when I go out on the street right now?
Stay off the street, it already has enough problems!
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