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Old 06-27-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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The whole preordained plan was for His glory. His nature is getting the glory; everything gives Him the glory. Humanity fell so God could save them
So Gods plan was for man to fall that He could reveal to man(not just the elect) His love for him as a Savior . What other way could man have absolute bold confidence in Him unless they knew Him as an unconditional loving Savior ?.
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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Doesn't believing involve a choice? So where's the predestination?
Predestination and choice are compatible.
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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Predestination and choice are compatible.
Your choice is predetermined?
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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This is about fairness. If God showed His "responsibility" whatever that is. If God was being fair to us, if we got what we deserved then we will all go to hell. God is only responsible for getting His glory, following His nature or else He would not be God.
God showed us His glory when Christ died on the cross, laying down His life for all mankind.
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Fundy why is it about what we deserve ?

I have never dealt with my kids by what they deserve , so how much more our heavenly father . Your conception of God needs to change Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not reward us according to our iniquity
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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So Gods plan was for man to fall that He could reveal to man(not just the elect) His love for him as a Savior . What other way could man have absolute bold confidence in Him unless they knew Him as an unconditional loving Savior ?.
True but I believe God game to save only the ones who believe. We have bold confidence in Him because He granted us repentance
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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Your choice is predetermined?
Yes, a choice can be predetermined by God and yet still be a 100% normal choice according to the person's will.
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:28 PM
 
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Fundy why is it about what we deserve ?

I have never dealt with my kids by what they deserve , so how much more our heavenly father . Your conception of God needs to change Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not reward us according to our iniquity
I don't know what you are talking or why you are using your children as an example. we are a fallen, perverted, warped creation. God does everything for His glory, not ours
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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God showed us His glory when Christ died on the cross, laying down His life for all mankind.
I agree but God shows His glory in everything He does.
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:32 PM
 
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Yes, a choice can be predetermined by God and yet still be a 100% normal choice according to the person's will.
I sort of agree but how? Personally I don't know how it's possible. Do you believe that one can fight God off, somehow turn from Him when He calls us; when He drags us to Him?
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