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I never said that. I believe it is grace alone but it is a qualification. James says, faith without works is dead; works demonstrates that you truly have faith. True Christians believe in God because they were given the gift of faith in order to believe.
There is no obedience of the sinner required for salvation, they are Justified soley by the obdience of one..Jesus christ..
rom 5:
unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
There is no obedience of the sinner required for salvation, they are Justified soley by the obdience of one..Jesus christ..
rom 5:
unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
again I never said that. I agree with what you are saying it's just that you are wording yours different. To be in this forum you must learn to see these things so it will lead to less confusion.
So, are you saying that one can continue to willfully sin and retain their salvation?
I know this was not directed at me but since I agreed with beloved I have to define my belief based on His response if different.
I believe in once saved always saved, that when God saves us, He changes us, we become a new creation; all things have passed away. We could never go back to the world and live in the darkness of ignorance again-our life is no longer ours. We don't sin anymore meaning we hate sin, we hate what it does to us and Him.
Last edited by Fundamentalist; 06-22-2009 at 10:46 AM..
again I never said that. I agree with what you are saying it's just that you are wording yours different. To be in this forum you must learn to see these things so it will lead to less confusion.
What are you talking about ? either you understand salvation or you dont, you know what christ accomplished and for whom or you dont..
I know this was not directed at me but since I agreed with beloved I have to define my belief based on His response if different.
I believe in once saved always saved, that when God saves us, He changes us, we become a new creation; all things have passed away. We could never go back to the world and live in the darkness of ignorance again-our life is no longer ours. We don't sin anymore meaning we hate sin, we hate what it does to us and Him.
So, why did Demas turn back? He forsook Paul, and the Lord, having loved this present world. And, please don't tell me that he was never saved.
Judas was saved at one time too. You can't have Jesus' power to heal and cast out devils if you are not saved at that moment in time.
But, anyone can turn back at anytime. It's free will.
So, why did Demas turn back? He forsook Paul, and the Lord, having loved this present world. And, please don't tell me that he was never saved.
He wasnt saved if his apostacy was final..demas wasnt the only one that left the ranks of believers..jn said:
1 jn 2:
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
evidently demas was not given faith by God or else this would have been true of him:
1 jn 5:
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
demas simply was not born again..
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