Question.. (Gospel, believe, Jesus, Kingdom)

[bigthirsty]

We hear about horrible the world has become.. its immoral.. there is a culture war.. blah blah blah (picture Glenn Beck's head exploding)..

Given base assumptions:

Man lands plane in Hudson <-- God given credit
Cardio Surgeon saves a life <-- God given credit


Scenario:

Life expectancy has increased dramatically in the last 100 years or so.. 20th century average life expectancy was 30-40 years.. I'd be almost dead now.

Life expectancy now is almost 70 years..

SCIENCE gets the credit here right? However, using the base assumptions above that if something good happens God gets the credit.. then my question is...


Why would God... want us to live longer lives.. in an immoral horrible place?

I don't get it.. doesn't make sense to me..

Logical conclusion is we live in a less immoral and horrible place right?

Thoughts?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

SCIENCE gets the credit here right? However, using the base assumptions above that if something good happens God gets the credit.. then my question is...


Why would God... want us to live longer lives.. in an immoral horrible place?

I don't get it.. doesn't make sense to me..

Logical conclusion is we live in a less immoral and horrible place right?

Thoughts?

So that we can give Him the glory, we are to tell others about Christ. The longer we are here the more people we can tell and the more people we can help etc....etc....All this gives God the glory. He does what gives Him the glory.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

So that we can give Him the glory, we are to tell others about Christ. The longer we are here the more people we can tell and the more people we can help etc....etc....All this gives God the glory. He does what gives Him the glory.

So why didn't that need to happen prior to the 21st century?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

So why didn't that need to happen prior to the 21st century?

You got me. I have theories (the gospel is need now more than ever; that 200 years ago unbelievers acted more Christian than most believers today) but they are only theories. All I know everything that happens is His will and gives Him the glory. To try to figure out those questions will drive me insane.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

You got me. I have theories (the gospel is need now more than ever; that 200 years ago unbelievers acted more Christian than most believers today) but they are only theories.

Do you really think that? That some how society in the 20th century and prior was somehow more Christian than now? I guess just off the top of my head I see like zero evidence of that..

[noland123]

God loves everybody,He wants all of us to turn our lives over to Him,to walk in His ways to find true happiness in Him. Sure this is an immoral world and its not getting better its getting worse and unless we see people wanting the ways of the Lord,instead of worldly ways,it will continue to worsen.


This is a horrible world we live in ,but it is caused by man himself,sure we have technology and medicine that is causing us to live longer ,but if man continues to keep putting trust in the things of the world and not God,how will he attain the kingdom of Heaven. It seems that man(unbeliever) only puts trust in things that he can see(the tangibles of the world) and by not having faith in things he can't see,which is the Lord. Maybe God has it orchestrated that by living longer that we become wiser as we age and turn our eyes to Him and off of worldly things.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Do you really think that? That some how society in the 20th century and prior was somehow more Christian than now? I guess just off the top of my head I see like zero evidence of that..

I believe that there was a drive in more Christians to spread the gospel back then then there is now. It's just that today we have the tools, technology etc....For whatever purpose God allowed that...I don't know but that is what I believe.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by noland123

God loves everybody,He wants all of us to turn our lives over to Him,to walk in His ways to find true happiness in Him. Sure this is an immoral world and its not getting better its getting worse and unless we see people wanting the ways of the Lord,instead of worldly ways,it will continue to worsen.


This is a horrible world we live in ,but it is caused by man himself,sure we have technology and medicine that is causing us to live longer ,but if man continues to keep putting trust in the things of the world and not God,what is the meaning of life. It seems that man(unbeliever) only puts trust in things that he can see(the tangibles of the world) and by not having faith in things he can't see,which is the Lord. Maybe God has it orchestrated that by living longer that we become wiser as we age and turn our eyes to Him and off of worldly things.

how is this world less moral than previous times in history?

compare and contrast..


I'll help with the layout:

1. Good things about the current point in time
2. Bad things about the current point in time

vs..

1. Good things about a historical pre-21st century point in time
2. Bad things about a historical pre-21st century piont in time


discuss..

My bet is.. that on the whole.. the time period we are in right now is like magnitudes more moral than at anytime in history..

[Antlered Chamataka]

It's too "easy" to question.

It's extremely "difficult" to keep the faith.

It's all about mental character.

Strong humans Versus Weak ones

[Uneekarts]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

how is this world less moral than previous times in history?

My bet is.. that on the whole.. the time period we are in right now is like magnitudes more moral than at anytime in history..

I would agree with you on that to a degree. At least it appears we are more humane based on our laws but there are still a lot of inhumane people even in the US of A. The sex slave market still prospers but it prospered 2000 years ago as well. There are still many starving people with no access to proper health care etc... here in America, not just in third world countries.

Jesus went out into the desert for 40 days and nights to spend time with God. Sure satan tempted him there but how long did that take - a half hour at most? { This is just a guess on my part as I have no idea when or for how long Christ was tempted} Jesus had to already be at the point of starvation before satan tempted Him by telling Him to just kick out a minor miracle and turn stones to bread. I guess Jesus was doing what He had to do for Himself so He would be ready for the job He was getting ready to do.

The Israelites stomped around the desert for 40 years getting from Egypt to the promised land and not one of those that started the journey ended it ( I am told) and it is only a 2 week trip ( I am also told) I guess they needed the time for God to work with them to get them ready.

I don't think it matters when you lived or how long you live or not even really what life is like when you do it. I think what matters is what you do with the time you get when you get it. God knows how hard your life was or was not. He knows if you opened up to Him and accepted His Son or not (assuming you were born after Christ was given) and then what you did about it.