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Yeah, it's a language thing, Sven, plus a theological plus an interpretational thing re "eternity" so the word is subject to being split into so many fragments that the original understanding is lost.
this is why I asked you to read that stuff and tell me your impression (this is a serious request, I admit that I'm biased to a certain degree and am interested if what I wrote is right and understandable), one might even dispute that eternity is a Scriptural term at all.
It must grieve the Holy Spirit to hear , what about the unforgivable sin ? what about the homosexual ? God doesn't love all , if they don't repent they are going to eternal torment, God hates, God only loves in past tense and not present, as much as He wishes to save All he can't.
Step back and listen to what is coming out of your heart and what you arguing for to justify . Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
It would be a whole deal different if including in such questions and quotes there was a talking up of what Jesus as accomplished but it is pretty much non existant for the best part.
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Yes... here is another example of sin not forgiven (Lamentations 3:42).
We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned. KJV
We have transgressed and rebelled, and you have not forgiven. ESV
We -- we have transgressed and rebelled, Thou -- Thou hast not forgiven. YLT
We have sinned and rebelled, and you have not forgiven us. NLT
We have sinned and rebelled and you have not forgiven NIV
This unforgiven sin did not carry an infinite punishment. In fact it says that God will not cast off indefinitely in the punishment of the children of men for their sin.
Lamenations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever: 32 But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. 33 For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. 34 To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth, 35 To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, 36 To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not. 37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? 39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins? 40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD. 41 Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens. 42 We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned. 43 Thou hast covered with anger, and persecuted us: thou hast slain, thou hast not pitied.
Scripture can say anything one wants when taken out of context. The context of the first part of Lamentations 3 is the tribulation the author has personally suffered in his service to God; the latter part of the chapter is talking about the collective sin of Jerusalem.
Verse 42 is stating that Jerusalem will not be spared judgment. Her sins have spoken against her.
Verse 31 is a transition verse. Verses 1-30 have been spoken in the singular, speaking specifically of the author but can be applied to any individual; verses 32-51 are speaking corporately (Jerusalem); verses 52-66 reverts back to the singular, particularly focusing on the author.
Verse 31, as a transition verse, can apply to both the individual and the corporate--"For men are not cast off by the Lord forever." Since it falls in the corporate section, this verse is giving hope that Jerusalem won't forever be under God's judgment. He will restore His relationship with His people (corporate).
When considering the words of verse 31, "For men are not cast off by the Lord forever," one must look at what comes before to understand the individual application. It is also important to understand if the author is talking about all individuals, some individuals, or only himself. Verses 25-26 shed light on the author's meaning:
The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;
it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.
In context, verse 31 is speaking about those whose hope is in God, those who seek Him. It's not speaking about the unrepentant individual or one who has turned his back on God. Verse 31 is speaking to those who already have a relationship with God, encouraging them that the tribulations they are currently enduring as servants of God won't last forever.
Verse 31, in context, is not about reconciliation for all!
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Including the doctrine of eternal hell.
Nice deflection, but I didn't say that. Nor can you find a post of mine that hints at it. I do, however, reject the doctrine of reconciliation for all.
I guess God changes eh? One minute He loves us, the next He no longer does...
no hope at all for anyone
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