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Old 06-26-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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As I read about Helen Keller I was moved at how she knew God before she even knew a language.

One of Helen's friends was Philips Books who was a famous of his generation in america at one time.

Helen was blind and deaf from the age of two, she had lived a life of isolation, unable to speak words she could not hear, unable to know what a word was. So, how did she know God?

In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Even before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn't know what it was. God had no name for her -- nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God's love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew.

Phillips Brooks was thrilled by this. This was the God he knew.

Phillips Brooks and Helen Keller

There are some who don't believe in God, but Helen knew about Him.

Now this is what is interesting to me. Because people say that others impose and push there believe on people to make them believe.

But Helen didn't have any Christian, or anyone there to "impose" their belief on her and she just innately knew there was a God!!!! Imagine That

So, my question is how can someone explain that?

I would say that it was the Holy Spirit who was with her and speaking and talking with her, how else would she know God in such a way.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:39 AM
 
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I also find it intriguing that atheists do not seem to sense that higher power. It is so omnipresent in my life. But I would not extrapolate Helen Keller's experience to a validation of Christianity, per se.

Many people intuitively sense God through many different cultural paths. The fact that she was first introduced to a higher power through a Christian does not necessarily mean that she knew the "Christian" God, for God simply is all and we use our various spiritual traditions to try and understand this transcendent power and force.

I have no doubt that she would have had the same response if she were introduced to the concept of a higher power through any spiritual tradition, from Islam to various tribal expressions.


On another note - I've always found it in intriguing how much of a radical leftist she was - real strong advocate of Socialism. It's interesting how that part gets left out of our grade school indoctrination - same with Jack London, who's always held up as an icon of the American frontier but who was a strong Socialist and environmentalist before that was a word.

Makes one wonder how the myth of Jesus, who also was a radical, has been tempered to make him reflect mainstream sensibilities.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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I also find it intriguing that atheists do not seem to sense that higher power. It is so omnipresent in my life. But I would not extrapolate Helen Keller's experience to a validation of Christianity, per se.

Many people intuitively sense God through many different cultural paths. The fact that she was first introduced to a higher power through a Christian does not necessarily mean that she knew the "Christian" God, for God simply is all and we use our various spiritual traditions to try and understand this transcendent power and force.

I have no doubt that she would have had the same response if she were introduced to the concept of a higher power through any spiritual tradition, from Islam to various tribal expressions.


On another note - I've always found it in intriguing how much of a radical leftist she was - real strong advocate of Socialism. It's interesting how that part gets left out of our grade school indoctrination - same with Jack London, who's always held up as an icon of the American frontier but who was a strong Socialist and environmentalist before that was a word.

Makes one wonder how the myth of Jesus, who also was a radical, has been tempered to make him reflect mainstream sensibilities.

I agree with you with the part of atheists, but I don't believe there is a such thing as this word people use as the Christian God. There is only one God and His name is Yahweh, not Christian God. Jesus never came and gave that name, it's something that people use.

I just happen to be Christian who believe in The Almighty God, and His name is Yahweh.

People use the word radical as it it means something in a negative sense. If you are referring Helen Keller as a radical, then do you really know what the word radical means?

Radical-Arising from or going to a root or source; basic: proposed a radical solution to the problem.

What Helen was doing was going to the root of the problem and trying to help the world fix problems that would help the blind and deaf community. If you call that radical, then I think that radical in her sense was good.

But when people think about the word radical, they think about people who are harming and pushing what they belief onto others.

Some define as an extremist of a belief or a rebel. Is this what you call Helen Keller, because she had a heart to get to the matter of the problem.

Jesus went straight to the problem. People use the word in a negative tone, because they are the ones that are adding to the problem that Jesus is correcting. People don't like to be corrected.

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Old 06-26-2009, 08:18 AM
 
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Those are nice thoughts--but it's interesting that the Christian God is much much different from the islamic, or mormon, or buddhist concept of deities (do buddhists have a deity).

I mean...they are mutually exclusive. You can't have the same God in all the religions.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Those are nice thoughts--but it's interesting that the Christian God is much much different from the islamic,
Dude, Allah is God.

Contrary to the Christians, the muslims don't do non-sense with Kool-Aid and acute sermononthemountiasis

You will never hear the faithful say, "I am gay, so Allah and I are okay"

Barring the extremism, the purity of the Quran is never tampered with. We need to appreciate them for that.

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do buddhists have a deity
1000 riflemen can come to a consensus that Tony did indeed evolve from a banana sooner than Buddhists come to a consensus on what they really stand for
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Those are nice thoughts--but it's interesting that the Christian God is much much different from the islamic, or mormon, or buddhist concept of deities (do buddhists have a deity).

I mean...they are mutually exclusive. You can't have the same God in all the religions.
See that's just the problem. We have all these religions and beliefs because we added them, not God. I'm not sure if you read the bible but there is only one living God in the bible and many many other idol gods, just as we do today.

I'm not here to say who is worshipping a idol or not, God is the judge of that. But it is evidence that there are some that are worshipping pagan Gods and idols.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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As I read about Helen Keller I was moved at how she knew God before she even knew a language.

One of Helen's friends was Philips Books who was a famous of his generation in america at one time.

Helen was blind and deaf from the age of two, she had lived a life of isolation, unable to speak words she could not hear, unable to know what a word was. So, how did she know God?

In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Even before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn't know what it was. God had no name for her -- nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God's love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew.

Phillips Brooks was thrilled by this. This was the God he knew.

Phillips Brooks and Helen Keller

There are some who don't believe in God, but Helen knew about Him.

Now this is what is interesting to me. Because people say that others impose and push there believe on people to make them believe.

But Helen didn't have any Christian, or anyone there to "impose" their belief on her and she just innately knew there was a God!!!! Imagine That

So, my question is how can someone explain that?

I would say that it was the Holy Spirit who was with her and speaking and talking with her, how else would she know God in such a way.
Totally awesome thread! And yes, I do believe it was the Holy Spirit that witness to her heart the things and will of God.

Romans 1:20-21
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

As Paul explains in this scripture that even the Gentiles were without a knowledge of Christ had been shown enough about God through creation to have honored and been thankful to Him.

And she could not see.....but God's grace through His Holy Spirit witness His presence in her life and gave her heart faith to believe in Him, even though she didn't have a language, to recognize, till later.

It really makes one think about those countries that people say have not be reached with the gospel and question will they know......this has really opened my heart to some profound thoughts about how that He is in control of all things, regardless what man thinks....

Blessings and thank you for sharing this!
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:33 AM
 
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Dude, Allah is God.
he is very different than the God of the Bible. Ask a devout muslim if they worship the same God as you.
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Contrary to the Christians, the muslims don't do non-sense with Kool-Aid and acute sermononthemountiasis

You will never hear the faithful say, "I am gay, so Allah and I are okay"

Barring the extremism, the purity of the Quran is never tampered with. We need to appreciate them for that.
Yes--the quran is textually pure compared to its original text...but I'd hardly call it inspired or scripture.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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Totally awesome thread! And yes, I do believe it was the Holy Spirit that witness to her heart the things and will of God.

Romans 1:20-21
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

As Paul explains in this scripture that even the Gentiles were without a knowledge of Christ had been shown enough about God through creation to have honored and been thankful to Him.

And she could not see.....but God's grace through His Holy Spirit witness His presence in her life and gave her heart faith to believe in Him, even though she didn't have a language, to recognize, till later.

It really makes one think about those countries that people say have not be reached with the gospel and question will they know......this has really opened my heart to some profound thoughts about how that He is in control of all things, regardless what man thinks....

Blessings and thank you for sharing this!
Thank you, I was really moved when I read about her story. It comforts me to know that God will never leave us comfortless in any situation.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Thank you, I was really moved when I read about her story. It comforts me to know that God will never leave us comfortless in any situation.
Amen....He is faithful to comfort His children! One of the blessings promised to us and to share with one another...

2Cor.1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Blessings
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