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Old 06-30-2009, 10:47 AM
 
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Well, either God can't save all or He won't. It's one or the other.

Or, He can and He will.
Then why do people die in their sins-unsaved?
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:48 AM
 
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I didn't say that. I said I would use Hollywood movies. How does one choose God if our nature is to hate Him? what separates you from your friends who don't believe?
It's our nature to sin, not to hate him. We're made in the image of God. I don't think we hate ourselves. I choose God freely because God gave me freewilll to choose him. Because if we're forced to love him, then it is no love at all.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:51 AM
 
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It's our nature to sin, not to hate him. We're made in the image of God. I don't think we hate ourselves. I choose God freely because God gave me freewilll to choose him. Because if we're forced to love him, then it is no love at all.
What is sin? Doesn't the bible say, we are children of wrath, we are children of the devil, we are at enmity with Him, We want nothing of the things of God, all our good deeds are of filthy rags to Him.

Sounds like we hate Him?
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:54 AM
 
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While it's just a movie, Bruce All Mighty get the point across that He Can't make us love him, we have to do it on our own.
When a person experiences the curse of the law which is the wrath of God and decides enough is enough, I'm going to turn back to God with everything I've got, God will circumsize his heart TO LOVE the Lord.
  • Deuteronomy 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
God is able to cleanse and replace wicked hearts with new hearts and cause people to obey Him.
  • Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And God doesn't do that with a magic God-wand.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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Then why do people die in their sins-unsaved?
I was just answering your question. You asked why if God desires all to be saved, they aren't. It seems like there's only the possibilities I listed:

He can't.
He won't.
He can and will.


I could be wrong. Can you think of any other possibilities?
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:57 AM
 
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I was just answering your question. You asked why if God desires all to be saved, they aren't. It seems like there's only the possibilities I listed:

He can't.
He won't.
He can and will.


I could be wrong. Can you think of any other possibilities?
I got ya and that is all I can think of myself
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:58 AM
 
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But isn't it our nature to reject Him anyway? what changes our nature to love Him?
He does when we listen to the Holy Spirit.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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He does when we listen to the Holy Spirit.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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Then why do people die in their sins-unsaved?
Because they refuse to believe the truth.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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Because they refuse to believe the truth.
But didn't God grant us with repentance and belief? so why did we believe and they didn't? What sets us apart from unbelievers?
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