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Pcamps writes: Quote:
"There is no one righteous, not even one; 11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God. 12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."[c] 13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."[d]
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."[e] 14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[f] 15"Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16ruin and misery mark their ways, 17and the way of peace they do not know."[g] 18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
HK asks:
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Do those verses describe you?
Pcamps replies:
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No all of us
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Ummm the rules of language demand that if you are including yourself in the "all of us" your answer must be 'Yes, all of us."
Pcamps if those verses describe you that would explain a lot - especially this one:
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
I ask only one thing - please do not move in next to me!
Hmmm God agaped the whole world as he drowned them like rats... hard to grasp???
Maybe your concept of Agape is the problem. God was acting in love toward his creation by getting rid of the vermin.
HK
Hi, no, it isn't hard to grasp God gave His Son for the whole world, including those who drowned in the flood. There is a purpose for the severe judgments of God which reflect agape love, love that does what is best for those who are loved (all of mankind) Even the elect may experience the judgments and discipline of God. This is a reflection of agape love. God has a process which includes administering His judgments and He has a goal in mind, which results in the restoration of all to Himself. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 07-05-2009 at 09:39 PM..
Beloved, you used the choosing of David to be King to show that God is partial. That is so wrong. First of all, Israel begged for a king like the surrounding nations had. God FIRST appointed Saul unto them so that they would see how stupid they were in wanting a human ruler and though Saul started out good, he had no training to be a good king and soon became a king the people did not like.
THEN God sends Samuel to find the next King out of Jesse's house. He bypassed all the logical human perceptions of what would make a good king, age, stature, etc, and chose David. In doing so He was not saying that Jesse's other sons were doomed to misery and torture. He did this to give Israel a GOOD king. David, in his duties as a shepherd, had exhibited selfless attributes to CARE FOR those under his protection. A King is to be a shepherd over the people placed under his care. A king is not supposed to seek glory and honor for himself. Christ came to GIVE HIMSELF for those He LOVED. Tho he did attain glory and honor through that, that was not HIs primary purpose in doing so. David being chosen was for the benefit of the kingdom, not for David's benefit. And if you read further, David did not immediately become King. God was not through training David. He had to endure much persecution from Saul, be ostracisized, flee for his life. These were the ways God trained David to trust in God, and to be a SERVANT to his people. Just because God chose David to be a king, did not preclude anyone else from being loved by God. David was called for a purpose, and this purppose was not always something that gave David peace and joy. Whenever he forgot his role and focused on his own needs and wants, tragedy seemed to occur, for the nation, as when he numbered Israel contrary to God's command, for himself when he contrived to take Bathsheba to his bed, and then tried to cover his treachery with more treachery. God puts his chosen ones through very firey trials. This is why Israel was chosen, it was a symbol of what God does in His choosing of individuals. To rule over (for a time with a rod of iron but for the BENEFIT of the subjects) his people. To be ruler, there must be subjects, and those subjects are to be the object of the rulers, to rule justly, govern mercifully as they have been shown mercy.
Just as in the planting of a field, first there is a firstfruits, offered to God, then comes the main portion of the crop, Then comes the reaping of the corners, so that NOT ONE portion of the crop is lost. The CHAFF is burned, but the chaff is not the person, but the things out of the stalk that are not profitable. tho the deeds of a man is burned, he himself is saved, but so as through fire.
God searches until even the last sheep is found. NEVER is it said that ONLY the elect are loved. The elect are the ones chosen to lead the rest into the right fold. IN HIS DUE TIME.
How sad and hopeless to look at the glass as half empty because of a few verses instead of looking at ALL the scripture and see that the glass if filling up, not being emptied
Amen. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 07-05-2009 at 09:56 PM..
God is not a respector of persons and is only contradicted within religious instruction rather than scripture.
Your religious instruction teaches a partiality in our eternal destiny, Many others teaches a partiality before we die through various kinds of instruction and intepretation of scripture.
What happens is people takes human circumstances and a like or dislike of them and applies that to God and then tries to make sense out of the verse. God not respecting a person means that our eartly circumstances has no bearing upon God reconciling all creation. There is nothing left out for any reason.
God shows favortism towards His elect, chosen ones..
Jesus was sent to the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14) He is the Savior of all men, especially of believers (1 Timothy 4:10) even if this is ignored. It's still right there. God is agape and agape seeks the best for all, even its enemies. God bless.
"And we have beheld and bear witness that the Son to be the Savior of the world." 1 John 4:14.
and don't ignore 1 Timothy 4:10
"For it is this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. (1 Timothy 4:10)
Nothing is said about the world of His elect. We cannot add to the scriptures to make it say what we want it to say and then say that we are speaking the truth. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 07-05-2009 at 11:03 PM..
"And we have beheld and bear witness that the Son to be the Savior of the world." 1 John 4:14.
and don't ignore 1 Timothy 4:10
"For it is this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. (1 Timothy 4:10)
Nothing is said about the world of His elect. We cannot add to the scriptures to make it say what we want it to say and then say that we are speaking the truth. God bless.
Yes there is , God is not a respector of persons, which in plain understandable English means He is not impatial.
God is partial to His chosen ones, and prefers them above others..
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God gave His Son for the whole world, including those who drowned in the flood. There is a purpose for the severe judgments of God which reflect agape love, love that does what is best for those who are loved (all of mankind) Even the elect may experience the judgments and discipline of God. This is a reflection of agape love. God has a process which includes administering His judgments and He has a goal in mind, which results in the restoration of all to Himself. God bless.
