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Old 07-05-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Herriman, UT.
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God knows the beginning BEFORE the end. HE has NEVER changed HIS mind. HE said "I change NOT". So you're saying HE changed HIS mind......good luck with that...........
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Old 07-05-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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IF you buy into the bible, then you do buy into partiality.
I have always thought it all sounded biased.
In Timothy, Jesus says he came to save the House of Israel. It was Paul who decided that everyone else was going to get saved.

If you buy into it...
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Old 07-05-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Of course, why not ? have you not read what paul wrote ?

2 tim 3:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I love how you delete parts of a person's post you don't want to acknowledge. The NT clearly shows that God is not partial anymore, and if one says so he is a heretic and clearly not of God.
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Old 07-05-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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Old 07-05-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: RI
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IF you buy into the bible, then you do buy into partiality.
I have always thought it all sounded biased.
In Timothy, Jesus says he came to save the House of Israel. It was Paul who decided that everyone else was going to get saved.

If you buy into it...
I buy into because it's God's purpose, read the folllowing scriptures then read the whole chapter of Acts 10 . You will be left in no doubt about Gods plan for all mankind, not just hte house of Israel.


Firstly Peter was told by God to share the gospel to Cornelius


34Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
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Old 07-05-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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If you were born in India, you'd be a Hindu.
If you were born in the middle east, you'd be a Muslim.

And you'd think that religion was the one true one.
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
 
Location: RI
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If you were born in India, you'd be a Hindu.
If you were born in the middle east, you'd be a Muslim.

And you'd think that religion was the one true one.
Yea
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Beloved, you used the choosing of David to be King to show that God is partial. That is so wrong. First of all, Israel begged for a king like the surrounding nations had. God FIRST appointed Saul unto them so that they would see how stupid they were in wanting a human ruler and though Saul started out good, he had no training to be a good king and soon became a king the people did not like.

THEN God sends Samuel to find the next King out of Jesse's house. He bypassed all the logical human perceptions of what would make a good king, age, stature, etc, and chose David. In doing so He was not saying that Jesse's other sons were doomed to misery and torture. He did this to give Israel a GOOD king. David, in his duties as a shepherd, had exhibited selfless attributes to CARE FOR those under his protection. A King is to be a shepherd over the people placed under his care. A king is not supposed to seek glory and honor for himself. Christ came to GIVE HIMSELF for those He LOVED. Tho he did attain glory and honor through that, that was not HIs primary purpose in doing so. David being chosen was for the benefit of the kingdom, not for David's benefit. And if you read further, David did not immediately become King. God was not through training David. He had to endure much persecution from Saul, be ostracisized, flee for his life. These were the ways God trained David to trust in God, and to be a SERVANT to his people. Just because God chose David to be a king, did not preclude anyone else from being loved by God. David was called for a purpose, and this purppose was not always something that gave David peace and joy. Whenever he forgot his role and focused on his own needs and wants, tragedy seemed to occur, for the nation, as when he numbered Israel contrary to God's command, for himself when he contrived to take Bathsheba to his bed, and then tried to cover his treachery with more treachery. God puts his chosen ones through very firey trials. This is why Israel was chosen, it was a symbol of what God does in His choosing of individuals. To rule over (for a time with a rod of iron but for the BENEFIT of the subjects) his people. To be ruler, there must be subjects, and those subjects are to be the object of the rulers, to rule justly, govern mercifully as they have been shown mercy.

Just as in the planting of a field, first there is a firstfruits, offered to God, then comes the main portion of the crop, Then comes the reaping of the corners, so that NOT ONE portion of the crop is lost. The CHAFF is burned, but the chaff is not the person, but the things out of the stalk that are not profitable. tho the deeds of a man is burned, he himself is saved, but so as through fire.

God searches until even the last sheep is found. NEVER is it said that ONLY the elect are loved. The elect are the ones chosen to lead the rest into the right fold. IN HIS DUE TIME.

How sad and hopeless to look at the glass as half empty because of a few verses instead of looking at ALL the scripture and see that the glass if filling up, not being emptied.
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Beloved, you used the choosing of David to be King to show that God is partial. That is so wrong. First of all, Israel begged for a king like the surrounding nations had. God FIRST appointed Saul unto them so that they would see how stupid they were in wanting a human ruler and though Saul started out good, he had no training to be a good king and soon became a king the people did not like.

THEN God sends Samuel to find the next King out of Jesse's house. He bypassed all the logical human perceptions of what would make a good king, age, stature, etc, and chose David. In doing so He was not saying that Jesse's other sons were doomed to misery and torture. He did this to give Israel a GOOD king. David, in his duties as a shepherd, had exhibited selfless attributes to CARE FOR those under his protection. A King is to be a shepherd over the people placed under his care. A king is not supposed to seek glory and honor for himself. Christ came to GIVE HIMSELF for those He LOVED. Tho he did attain glory and honor through that, that was not HIs primary purpose in doing so. David being chosen was for the benefit of the kingdom, not for David's benefit. And if you read further, David did not immediately become King. God was not through training David. He had to endure much persecution from Saul, be ostracisized, flee for his life. These were the ways God trained David to trust in God, and to be a SERVANT to his people. Just because God chose David to be a king, did not preclude anyone else from being loved by God. David was called for a purpose, and this purppose was not always something that gave David peace and joy. Whenever he forgot his role and focused on his own needs and wants, tragedy seemed to occur, for the nation, as when he numbered Israel contrary to God's command, for himself when he contrived to take Bathsheba to his bed, and then tried to cover his treachery with more treachery. God puts his chosen ones through very firey trials. This is why Israel was chosen, it was a symbol of what God does in His choosing of individuals. To rule over (for a time with a rod of iron but for the BENEFIT of the subjects) his people. To be ruler, there must be subjects, and those subjects are to be the object of the rulers, to rule justly, govern mercifully as they have been shown mercy.

Just as in the planting of a field, first there is a firstfruits, offered to God, then comes the main portion of the crop, Then comes the reaping of the corners, so that NOT ONE portion of the crop is lost. The CHAFF is burned, but the chaff is not the person, but the things out of the stalk that are not profitable. tho the deeds of a man is burned, he himself is saved, but so as through fire.

God searches until even the last sheep is found. NEVER is it said that ONLY the elect are loved. The elect are the ones chosen to lead the rest into the right fold. IN HIS DUE TIME.

How sad and hopeless to look at the glass as half empty because of a few verses instead of looking at ALL the scripture and see that the glass if filling up, not being emptied.
Excellent post!!! Agree totally.
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:56 PM
 
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Yes ALL do have that chance. Do really think God is not capable of making Himself known to everyone? Romans 1:19-20 says different.

Romans explains that all have enough knowledge to be righteously condemned.

Is there another way to be saved other than through Jesus? If not then since most have never heard of Jesus - draw the logical conclusion.

HK

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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