Ephesians 2:8-Do you really believe it? (punishment, Messiah, worship, translation)

[mzjamiedawn]

Originally Posted by jeapostle

The elect is not ALL. Consider this verse:
Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

The elect refers to A REMNANT, not all.

That remnant is all who accept. The offer is open to all. God wants ALL to come to repentance, not just some.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by mzjamiedawn

That remnant is all who accept. The offer is open to all. God wants ALL to come to repentance, not just some.

Then why don't they?

[jeapostle]

Originally Posted by mzjamiedawn

That remnant is all who accept. The offer is open to all. God wants ALL to come to repentance, not just some.

REMNANT means a PORTION of the WHOLE!

Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

[mzjamiedawn]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Then why don't they?

Stubborn? Pride? Selfishness?

Originally Posted by jeapostle

REMNANT means a PORTION of the WHOLE!

Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Exactly. God wants the WHOLE world to be saved, but only a PORTION will be.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by mzjamiedawn

Stubborn? Pride? Selfishness?
Exactly. God wants the WHOLE world to be saved.

Yep,
1 Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

but only a PORTION will be.

ummmm......

[pcamps]

jeapostle
Don't you think that is solely referring to the nation of Israel and not the nations as a whole, when He is referring to a remnant?.

So remnant, few, chosen.elected is being taken out of context by those who literally believe a few will be saved , when we know it is referring to the remnant of Israel being saved ?.

[mzjamiedawn]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

Yep,
1 Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

ummmm......

Phazelwood, I agree God will that all mankind be saved. I'm still studying about your "ummmm"....lol.

[jeapostle]

Originally Posted by pcamps

jeapostle
Don't you think that is solely referring to the nation of Israel and not the nations as a whole, when He is referring to a remnant?.

So remnant, few, chosen.elected is being taken out of context by those who literally believe a few will be saved , when we know it is referring to the remnant of Israel being saved ?.

Yes I do believe it is referring to Israel. But if all of Israel is not saved, then it casts doubt on all the world being saved. How does God save all, but not all Israel. Israel's entrance into the kingdom was not based on descent from Abraham, but by election of grace.

[pcamps]

Genesis 12

and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you(Abraham).

What do you think this means ?

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by mzjamiedawn

Phazelwood, I agree God will that all mankind be saved. I'm still studying about your "ummmm"....lol.

lol,