Joel Osteen (belief, Holy Spirit, translation, faith)

[thrillobyte]

As a rule you can tell the level of heresy a televangelist is at by the size of the crowd he draws. Osteen attracts some 22,000 people each week. That's about 44,000-odd itching ears. Paul warned us about this feel-good, cotton-candy theology that would materialize in the latter days. If Osteen talked about the blood of Christ even once he would empty out his stadium tomorrow along with his pocketbook and he knows it. Hence all the fence-riding and hedging he does when he's being interviewed. I have more respect for his wife. At least she's not afraid to put on display the fact that their whole schtick is one big fraud.

[thrillobyte]

pcamps, I've carefully read your posts on osteen and universal reconcilation. No offense intended, guy (or gal) You really need to sit down with yourself and the Holy Spirit and pray earnestly for guidance. I see two strikes so far. A third one and, as they say, you're out. Don't let that be your fate. I know there are many in here who would tell you the same thing out of pure love and concern, so please don't take it the wrong way and start hurling insults. I hope and pray the Holy Spirit reveals the truth of these things to you. God bless.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

pcamps, I've carefully read your posts on osteen and universal reconcilation. No offense intended, guy (or gal) You really need to sit down with yourself and the Holy Spirit and pray earnestly for guidance. I see two strikes so far. A third one and, as they say, you're out. Don't let that be your fate. I know there are many in here who would tell you the same thing out of pure love and concern, so please don't take it the wrong way and start hurling insults. I hope and pray the Holy Spirit reveals the truth of these things to you. God bless.

Thanks for your concern

I will continue as led by the Lord to listen to Joel Osteen.

It gets worse as much as i detest the spirit of TBN , i have been led of the Lord to listen to a host of their ministers including Ken Copeland , Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn Andrew Wommack .

If you take away the prosperity message from their ministry they still have much more light than the fundamentals and organized church system.

Infact i think the unbelieving fireman who who will rush into a burning house with 50 people in to save them as more light as well.

See link God's love for those never saved

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

As a rule you can tell the level of heresy a televangelist is at by the size of the crowd he draws. Osteen attracts some 22,000 people each week. That's about 44,000-odd itching ears. Paul warned us about this feel-good, cotton-candy theology that would materialize in the latter days. If Osteen talked about the blood of Christ even once he would empty out his stadium tomorrow along with his pocketbook and he knows it. Hence all the fence-riding and hedging he does when he's being interviewed. I have more respect for his wife. At least she's not afraid to put on display the fact that their whole schtick is one big fraud.

The only time the organized church mention the blood is to condemn those who reject it to hell.

The blood speaks of far more wonderful things than that.

If Osteen talked about the blood the place would be empty???? . You mean like the organized system that is more concerned about putting bums on seats than the welfare of the lost and believer alike.

The organized church is all about numbers , and use every worldly program they can in attempt to bring them into the system.

No wonder the donosaur the organized church is dying a death , it's not just that Christ is being rejected , it's also the gospel of the organized church being rejected , and believers are leaving the system in their droves .

Infact i do not think it would be an exxageration to say , more believers don't go church than do.

[pcamps]

Thrillobyte

The only time the organized church mention the blood is to condemn those who reject it to hell.

The blood speaks of far more wonderful things than that.

If Osteen talked about the blood the place would be empty???? . You mean like the organized system that is more concerned about putting bums on seats than the welfare of the lost and believer alike.

The organized church is all about numbers , and use every worldly program they can in attempt to bring them into the system.

No wonder the dinosaur the organized church is dying a death , it's not just that Christ is being rejected , it's also the gospel of the organized church being rejected , and believers are leaving the system in their droves .

Infact i do not think it would be an exxageration to say , more believers don't go to church(is there such thing as going to church) than do.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Thrillobyte

The only time the organized church mention the blood is to condemn those who reject it to hell.

The blood speaks of far more wonderful things than that.

If Osteen talked about the blood the place would be empty???? . You mean like the organized system that is more concerned about putting bums on seats than the welfare of the lost and believer alike.

The organized church is all about numbers , and use every worldly program they can in attempt to bring them into the system.

No wonder the dinosaur the organized church is dying a death , it's not just that Christ is being rejected , it's also the gospel of the organized church being rejected , and believers are leaving the system in their droves .

Infact i do not think it would be an exxageration to say , more believers don't go to church (is there such thing as going to church) than do.

It's obvious you don't read Revelations. The bible pretty much predicted that would happen-these are mostly goats. Your thinking process is interesting.

[Fundamentalist]

My father went to seminary in the West Indies then on to Ontario bible college where he received his bachelor, then went to Harvard University to further his study, then to Boston University to receive his Masters degree, then went onto Oral Roberts University to receive his Phd in theology. My father studied my father studied hard to be a Pastor who could preach the word soundly.

Here comes Osteen, part of the sound crew for his father's church and his credentials are he has seen his father preached many times....Are you kidding me? I am not saying one has to have seminary background in order to be a Pastor because I have friends who are pastors who have none but they did sit under the tutoring of good men of God for years in order to be a Pastor. Osteen can't even make that claim.

Your spiritual health is like your physical health, when you go to a doctor, are you picking one with the most experience and has enough degrees on his belt? or are you going to a doctor who spent the night at a Holiday Inn?

[deerdog]

It gets worse as much as i detest the spirit of TBN , i have been led of the Lord to listen to a host of their ministers including Ken Copeland , Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn Andrew Wommack .

PC its ok to listen to these people as I enjoy Copeland, and Duplantis but beware my friend of Benny Hinn as some think he is the AntiChrist. While I wouldn't go as far as that he is all about money and trust me when I say that as I know personally from people that I know that went to him. Also if he is such a great healer why doesn't he go to the children's hospital and try to help all of them? Actually because there is no money in that.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by deerdog

PC its ok to listen to these people as I enjoy Copeland, and Duplantis but beware my friend of Benny Hinn as some think he is the AntiChrist. While I wouldn't go as far as that he is all about money and trust me when I say that as I know personally from people that I know that went to him. Also if he is such a great healer why doesn't he go to the children's hospital and try to help all of them? Actually because there is no money in that.

Deerdog thanks for not condemning for owning up that i will listen to these ministers on the odd ocassion as the Lord as led.

I agree about Benny Hinn , but the Lord as spoken to me through Benny.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

It's obvious you don't read Revelations. The bible pretty much predicted that would happen-these are mostly goats. Your thinking process is interesting.

Obviously you don't as goats are nations not individuals.Everyone is a goat that rejects calvinism to the calvinist.