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Old 08-24-2009, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Nowhere'sville
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And the doctor should know who was a viable implant or not, shouldn't he? After all, he put all the sets of cells together in a dish or some sort of container. Some of the male sperm cells were able to join with the female and once that happened, the cell unit began to divide and then divide again. Pretty soon the cell units became each a pretty big mass of many individual, unique cells ...all with 1/2 male chromosomes and 1/2 female chromosomes.
So the doctor in all his great wisdom selected two out of the whole dish.
What did he do with all the other little cell units that were still in the dish, dividing merrily along?
He let God have them because he didn't know what else to do with them. God knows what to do
with every little cell unit. After all, God created the very process of joining cells and ALSO created the deep-down, never-to-be-understood mystery that these joining of cells would be alive!
Man can make dead cells galore, but never, ever has been able to make one be alive from bare nothingness like God can. Man is forbidden to even try.

And it is my fault and other Christian's fault that people don't realize that God is the only one who has dominion over the creation of life itself. We were and are to teach this to everyone, and we have failed a most horrible failure.
No, you are not to blame at all for doctor's thinking that he could learn to be as God is by delving deeply in the processes near the beginning of created life.
People who follow Christ are to blame for not telling the world about God's law. Thou shalt love God first, and then love everything that God created. Is loving God trying to become Him so you don't have to bother yourself with the supreme? Is loving everything that God created exempting those things that you, yourself tried to make?

You should not look back at something that was done in complete ignorance and then feel damned because, like I said, the teachers are the ones with the sin on their hands for not teaching you before you acted. But now that you are aware, you also have been charged to teach.

Why are you so overly sensitive about this? A large portion of fertilized eggs don't implant naturally anyhow. I know a lot of good Christians who have had invitro because they wanted a family so badly. (gee where was god when they were begging to get pregnant!?) Your statement about Christian being the ones to blame for not telling the world about god's law is really silly! Most people know of the "laws" of the bible...but ya know what? No one cares! This is America...we go by our own laws, not some laws in an outdated book of mythology!
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Old 08-29-2009, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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.... A large portion of fertilized eggs......
What is a fertilized egg?

When does a human being start its existence?

During in vitro, where are all the fertilized eggs?

What happens to the fertilized eggs that are not selected
by the doctors for trial?

I guess you are not sensitive enough to understand.
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Old 08-29-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: East Coast U.S.
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Interesting thread.

Kudos to Sundance and Betsey Lane for having the courage as Christians to stand up and 'call a spade a spade.'
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Old 09-03-2009, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Oh my goodness.
The "spade" wrote that the left-behind cell masses are humans.
What do the diamonds, clubs, and hearts say that the left-behind cell masses are?

And do the diamonds, clubs, and hearts say that just because in nature (God's will) lots of
cell masses never become implanted, that in the in vitro procedure it is just fine for
the left-behind cell masses to also be "flushed" away...not by God, but by man?

Please, all the cards in the deck should be face up for view.
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Old 09-04-2009, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Hello, In this instance, let us try together to sidestep your beliefs on the nature of invitro for a moment. People can talk about killing a child to the point they equate birth control to it as well so we are talking about the lives that you can do something with.


There is only one tried and true way to deal with those lives that you can affect. And that is to love them with all your heart despite what they do.

It is not a matter of whether I think they are right or wrong or whether you think or perhaps have declared that you know they are right or wrong, it is demonstrating what your faith has done for YOU.

If you or anyone else really wants to demonstrate that your faith has done you any good at all then thats your only choice.

Love them with all your heart.
Apparently I have supported too many of your posts! LOL but so much obvious love in your words! just had to say it even if I cannot rep you.
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