How Well Is the Grace Gospel Taught ?? (preaching, believe, priest)

[tonytonytony]

No doubt everybody claiming to be a bible expert on the grace gospel.
Paul said grace is conditional.

Read Romans 6:1 and be convinced.

Be more convinced and read Romans 6:15.

"Works" is often not a cuss word in the bible.

Read John 6 and John 7 and be convinced.

Read 1 Timothy 6 and Ephesians 2:9 and be convinced.


"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Ephesians 2:8.

"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Romans 3:21.

"Work" is not a cuss word in Phillipians 1:6 or so.

What make "Work or Works" a cuss word is animal offerings and
circumcision as well as a high priest other then Jesus today.

Water baptism is a legal work to go to heaven today.
Yes John 3:5 is not a man idea to be saved it's a God idea to be saved.

So is taking off your jewelry and costly array today.
Yes 1 Peter 3:3 is not a man idea just a God idea to be saved.

During the old law gospel every work was legal to follow.
Now that the new law gospel took over the legal and illegal rules changed.
This John 1:17 talking now not Tony.

The new law says water baptism is law today as well as the bible law opposing the wearing of jewelry and costly array, etc.

It says too that circumcision and another high priest today is not the law today.

Only the old law said circumcision and an average high priest could save you from sin then.

Only the old law said animal offering can save you from the penalty of sin.

Grace or the new law is a lot more merciful but still conditional.

That's the preaching of the grace gospel more completely correct.

Nobody disowns their natural children too fast unless they get out of control being a juvenile criminal and parent rebel or heathen.

God is the same way with his spiritual children.

Don't mean saints aren't chastised at times just means bastards aren't correctable.

The Titus 3:10 bible test will say who what regardless to what the bible verse is.

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

No doubt everybody claiming to be a bible expert on the grace gospel.
Paul said grace is conditional.

Read Romans 6:1 and be convinced.

Be more convinced and read Romans 6:15.

"Works" is often not a cuss word in the bible.

Read John 6 and John 7 and be convinced.

Read 1 Timothy 6 and Ephesians 2:9 and be convinced.


"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Ephesians 2:8.

"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Romans 3:21.

"Work" is not a cuss word in Phillipians 1:6 or so.

What make "Work or Works" a cuss word is animal offerings and
circumcision as well as a high priest other then Jesus today.

Water baptism is a legal work to go to heaven today.
Yes John 3:5 is not a man idea to be saved it's a God idea to be saved.

So is taking off your jewelry and costly array today.
Yes 1 Peter 3:3 is not a man idea just a God idea to be saved.

During the old law gospel every work was legal to follow.
Now that the new law gospel took over the legal and illegal rules changed.
This John 1:17 talking now not Tony.

The new law says water baptism is law today as well as the bible law opposing the wearing of jewelry and costly array, etc.

It says too that circumcision and another high priest today is not the law today.

Only the old law said circumcision and an average high priest could save you from sin then.

Only the old law said animal offering can save you from the penalty of sin.

Grace or the new law is a lot more merciful but still conditional.

That's the preaching of the grace gospel more completely correct.

Nobody disowns their natural children too fast unless they get out of control being a juvenile criminal and parent rebel or heathen.

God is the same way with his spiritual children.

Don't mean saints aren't chastised at times just means bastards aren't correctable.

The Titus 3:10 bible test will say who what regardless to what the bible verse is.

I think I understand what your trying to say - but Paul did not say that grace was conditional. God gave the Saviour unconditionally to the world but the blessings that are to be found in Him are through faith - the condition. It is by grace through faith. You need to be careful how you state things. That blessing was to set us free from sin not to give us the right to sin w/out consequence. Therefore walk in the power of the Spirit to glorify the Lord not your flesh. The works that we do are not to gain the blessing of justification but to demonstrate a life changed by the grace of God. Grace is not a cloak for sin but a crown for righteousness.

[tonytonytony]

Yes grace is conditional.
Except a man be born of the water and of the spirit he can not enter in the kindgom of God. I'm no grammar expert too much but "except" here saying the only way to be born again.

You escape water you escape Jesus.
You escape the spirit or the word of God you escape Jesus.
Words I speak unto thee they are spirit and they are life----John 6:63.
Word of God (Matthew 4:4) = the spirit (John 4:24).
Spirit(John 4:24) = life (John 3:16).
Life (John 3:16)= the word of God (Matthew 4:4)
Water baptism (John 3:5) = the word of God (Matthew 4:4).
Life (John 3:16) = water baptism (John 3:5)
Water baptism = the spirit (John 3:5)
Water baptism = water salvation ( 1 Peter 3:21 or so).
John 6:63 = life + the spirit.
Water salvation = the word of God
Life = water salvation.
Water salvation = the spirit
What you live by is life and what give you life is what you live by.
Works to live by while works not to have life by now too. (Ephes. 2:8-9).
Works to have life by while works not to live by as well. (Ephes. 2:8-9).

You miss both the 8th and 9th verse of this book then you don't understand the grace gospel well.

It's all chain linked together.
No bible verse voids out another bible verse today unless we talking about
animal offerings and circumcision as well as another high priest.
Perhaps a word game of scrabble but it's all chain linked together.

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

I think I understand what your trying to say - but Paul did not say that grace was conditional. God gave the Saviour unconditionally to the world but the blessings that are to be found in Him are through faith - the condition. It is by grace through faith. You need to be careful how you state things. That blessing was to set us free from sin not to give us the right to sin w/out consequence. Therefore walk in the power of the Spirit to glorify the Lord not your flesh. The works that we do are not to gain the blessing of justification but to demonstrate a life changed by the grace of God. Grace is not a cloak for sin but a crown for righteousness.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Yes grace is conditional.
Except a man be born of the water and of the spirit he can not enter in the kindgom of God. I'm no grammar expert too much but "except" here saying the only way to be born again.

You escape water you escape Jesus.
You escape the spirit or the word of God you escape Jesus.
Words I speak unto thee they are spirit and they are life----John 6:63.
Word of God (Matthew 4:4) = the spirit (John 4:24).
Spirit(John 4:24) = life (John 3:16).
Life (John 3:16)= the word of God (Matthew 4:4)
Water baptism (John 3:5) = the word of God (Matthew 4:4).
Life (John 3:16) = water baptism (John 3:5)
Water baptism = the spirit (John 3:5)
Water baptism = water salvation ( 1 Peter 3:21 or so).
John 6:63 = life + the spirit.
Water salvation = the word of God
Life = water salvation.
Water salvation = the spirit
What you live by is life and what give you life is what you live by.
Works to live by while works not to have life by now too. (Ephes. 2:8-9).
Works to have life by while works not to live by as well. (Ephes. 2:8-9).

You miss both the 8th and 9th verse of this book then you don't understand the grace gospel well.

It's all chain linked together.
No bible verse voids out another bible verse today unless we talking about
animal offerings and circumcision as well as another high priest.
Perhaps a word game of scrabble but it's all chain linked together.

Sadly...you are very mistaken...and it is you who does not understand the grace of God.

Don't you understand there is nothing anyone does or can do to obtain salvation and that it is a gift of God? Baptism is not a condition for salvation and neither what you wear...this is false teaching.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

No doubt everybody claiming to be a bible expert on the grace gospel.
Paul said grace is conditional.

Read Romans 6:1 and be convinced.

Be more convinced and read Romans 6:15.

"Works" is often not a cuss word in the bible.

Read John 6 and John 7 and be convinced.

Read 1 Timothy 6 and Ephesians 2:9 and be convinced.


"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Ephesians 2:8.

"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Romans 3:21.

"Work" is not a cuss word in Phillipians 1:6 or so.

What make "Work or Works" a cuss word is animal offerings and
circumcision as well as a high priest other then Jesus today.

Water baptism is a legal work to go to heaven today.
Yes John 3:5 is not a man idea to be saved it's a God idea to be saved.

So is taking off your jewelry and costly array today.
Yes 1 Peter 3:3 is not a man idea just a God idea to be saved.

During the old law gospel every work was legal to follow.
Now that the new law gospel took over the legal and illegal rules changed.
This John 1:17 talking now not Tony.

The new law says water baptism is law today as well as the bible law opposing the wearing of jewelry and costly array, etc.

It says too that circumcision and another high priest today is not the law today.

Only the old law said circumcision and an average high priest could save you from sin then.

Only the old law said animal offering can save you from the penalty of sin.

Grace or the new law is a lot more merciful but still conditional.

That's the preaching of the grace gospel more completely correct.

Nobody disowns their natural children too fast unless they get out of control being a juvenile criminal and parent rebel or heathen.

God is the same way with his spiritual children.

Don't mean saints aren't chastised at times just means bastards aren't correctable.

The Titus 3:10 bible test will say who what regardless to what the bible verse is.

There are no bastards in the new law... we are all adopted sons.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. {15 Or adoption} And by him we cry, “Abba, Father!”

“Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)

1 John 4:7-8
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Born of God... Sons of God.. Adopted sons not bastard sons. ALL MEN ARE ADOPTED.

[pcamps]

If the grace you teach is believable you haven't even touched on what grace is, because the truth about grace is it's beyond our wildest imaginations .

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by pcamps

If the grace you teach is believable you haven't even touched on what grace is, because the truth about grace is it's beyond our wildest imaginations .

[pcamps]

God in His infinite grace loves us unconditionally , it's beyond comprehension and too marvellous for words. It takes faith to believe it .

What we believe is what we are .

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

No doubt everybody claiming to be a bible expert on the grace gospel.
Paul said grace is conditional.

Read Romans 6:1 and be convinced.

Be more convinced and read Romans 6:15.

"Works" is often not a cuss word in the bible.

Read John 6 and John 7 and be convinced.

Read 1 Timothy 6 and Ephesians 2:9 and be convinced.


"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Ephesians 2:8.

"Works" is a cuss word in the bible if you go to Romans 3:21.

"Work" is not a cuss word in Phillipians 1:6 or so.

What make "Work or Works" a cuss word is animal offerings and
circumcision as well as a high priest other then Jesus today.

Water baptism is a legal work to go to heaven today.
Yes John 3:5 is not a man idea to be saved it's a God idea to be saved.

So is taking off your jewelry and costly array today.
Yes 1 Peter 3:3 is not a man idea just a God idea to be saved.

During the old law gospel every work was legal to follow.
Now that the new law gospel took over the legal and illegal rules changed.
This John 1:17 talking now not Tony.

The new law says water baptism is law today as well as the bible law opposing the wearing of jewelry and costly array, etc.

It says too that circumcision and another high priest today is not the law today.

Only the old law said circumcision and an average high priest could save you from sin then.

Only the old law said animal offering can save you from the penalty of sin.

Grace or the new law is a lot more merciful but still conditional.

That's the preaching of the grace gospel more completely correct.

Nobody disowns their natural children too fast unless they get out of control being a juvenile criminal and parent rebel or heathen.

God is the same way with his spiritual children.

Don't mean saints aren't chastised at times just means bastards aren't correctable.

The Titus 3:10 bible test will say who what regardless to what the bible verse is.

...It is taught very clearly to those who have understanding of the Truth of God's Gospel. God bless you tony.

[tonytonytony]

All atonement believers children of God?
John 8:44 preaching another gospel
Read too 1 Corinthians 13
Read also Matthew 7:21-22.
No doubt some atonement believers speaking in tongues and doing miracles.
What do Matthew 7:21-22 say about some of them?
What do 1 Cor. 13 say about some of them?
That mean you got religious John 8:44 people too?

Grace not conditional?
Grace no different than a credit card and insurance to buy.
The 30 days of grace mean you have to have your mininum payment to get it.
The $10,000 grace bailout mean you have to pay your premium and make an insurance claim how they honor it to get it.
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid.
For grace to abound sin must be repented of or stopped.
It's like saying the color white can't get you a black color or if you want a black color you can't have a white color.

Paraphrased speech but the heart of the conveyed teaching is there.
The book still the book in broken down teaching enough------Romans 6:1, 15.

Originally Posted by katjonjj

There are no bastards in the new law... we are all adopted sons.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. {15 Or adoption} And by him we cry, “Abba, Father!”

“Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)

1 John 4:7-8
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Born of God... Sons of God.. Adopted sons not bastard sons. ALL MEN ARE ADOPTED.