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Old 07-20-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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What does Rev 5:13 mean if it does not mean that every single person who has ever existed will worship Him? And Isaiah 45:23? It says explicitly everyone swears allegiance to Him. Have they become "robots" to swear allegiance to God, even though they are doomed to eternal torture in hell?
No they will not be worshiping Him because they love Him and know Him as Savior, they will be doing it because they finally realize His power. The versed you quoted are not proof everyone is going to worship Him as Lord.

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Before you became a believer, how did God respect your rejection if you eventually came to believe?
He respects peoples choice to reject Him.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:05 PM
 
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they will be doing it because they finally realize His power.
What will cause them to realize His power, ILNC? Why will they realize His powewr? Will anyone be able to choose not to realize His power, choose not to bow before Him, and choose not to swear allegiance to Him? God bless.

bow=kampto =to bow especially in religious veneration or worship

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Old 07-20-2009, 07:12 PM
 
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No they will not be worshiping Him because they love Him and know Him as Savior, they will be doing it because they finally realize His power. The versed you quoted are not proof everyone is going to worship Him as Lord.



He respects peoples choice to reject Him.
So if I am reading you correctly, at this point, people will still reject Christ, even though they are bowing and confessing and swearing allegiance to Him. Also, God wants to save them, but He won't/can't because their will is to reject Christ (even though God's will is that they be saved).

Is that what you believe?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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He respects peoples choice to reject Him.

Does his respect prevent him from righteously influencing people to see the light?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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How will anyone be able to reject them once they see the light? Again, the true light which enlightens every man has come into the world. Light is greater than the darkness, but many believe that the darkness is greater than the light, that light cannot penetrate the darkest of hearts. Who is greater God or darkness? God bless.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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So if I am reading you correctly, at this point, people will still reject Christ, even though they are bowing and confessing and swearing allegiance to Him. Also, God wants to save them, but He won't/can't because their will is to reject Christ (even though God's will is that they be saved).

Is that what you believe?
It will be too late for them when He returns, that is why it is so important people come to Jesus NOW, because then it will be too late.

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Does his respect prevent him from righteously influencing people to see the light?
He cannot and will not force anyone to believe.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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How will anyone be able to reject them once they see the light? Again, the true light which enlightens every man has come into the world. Light is greater than the darkness, but many believe that the darkness is greater than the light, that light cannot penetrate the darkest of hearts. Who is greater God or darkness? God bless.

I believe there are verses concerning people turning away from what they know. I was one of them. I turned away from the love I felt as a kid and it was replaced by the religious teachings I grew up with. The love I knew as a child had no name that I knew, in church there was no teaching that equaled it, but over time I lost sight of it because of the physical realm and people battling to "Correct" me when as a little one I had no way to know how to stand my ground.

Was I lost forever by doing so? No, but the path back to the simple faith was very painful and finally I have and it is much easier to remain in that light as the falsehoods come my way than it was to be dragged out by God after having let it go.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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How will anyone be able to reject them once they see the light? Again, the true light which enlightens every man has come into the world. Light is greater than the darkness, but many believe that the darkness is greater than the light, that light cannot penetrate the darkest of hearts. Who is greater God or darkness? God bless.
Is man's stubbornness great than God's will?

Remember where man's stubbornness and disobedience came from: God himself!

Rom 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:52 PM
 
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He cannot and will not force anyone to believe.


Sorry that does not answer my question because I did not ask you if he forces anyone.


Do you believe God can righteously influence a person?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:52 PM
 
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I understand what you are saying, Phazelwood, but we see now dimly, not fully and I believe that when we see Him as He is, know Him as He fully knows us, there will be no rejection. God will be all in all at that time, I believe. God bless.
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